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Old 10-08-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Saying that watching American shows makes a Canadian LESS Canadian is the SAME as saying that drinking Tim Hortons Coffee makes someone MORE Canadian. Do you see something wrong with your logic?

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What you read, listen to, and watch shapes way more who you are as a person (and collectively, as a nationality) than a bloody coffee. Let's stay serious please...
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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And even so (I agree BTW), I don't understand why it's necessarily much more interesting for a person from Alberta to listen to someone from Alabama sing out of key, than it is to listen to some from Saskatchewan sing off-key.

I mean, we obviously have home-grown versions of some of these shows in Quebec too, but part of the appeal of them (if you are into that thing) is to see people you can relate to who are trying to achieve their dream. People who, because of their nationality, mannerisms and accent, talk like us and act like us at least to some degree.

I don't understand why people in Barrie, Ontario relate more in this sense to people from some random part of the States than with other Canadians. I've always found that a bit weird.
It is not weird at all.

Why was Friends and Seinfeld, the top show for years and years in many countries around the world? In this global market ... the best product or the best marketed product always wins.

Can you tell me why Mc Donald's and KFC are popular in big cities in India and China? Isn't that more weird than someone from Barrie singing songs about Texas.

It is a fact that American products like music and movies dominate most English speaking markets. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand. Do you know that Indian music and movies dominate most Hindi speaking markets including their arch enemy Pakistan! I find that even more weird!
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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What you read, listen to, and watch shapes way more who you are as a person (and collectively, as a nationality) than a bloody coffee. Let's stay serious please...
No it does not. Pakistan consumes 90% of Indian music and movies. Ask any Pakistani you know if you don't believe me.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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It is a fact that American products like music and movies dominate most English speaking markets. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand.
They don't dominate nearly as much as they do in Canada. Think in the UK, Oz and NZ are much more balanced, even though obviously American stuff is more present there.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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It is not weird at all.

Why was Friends and Seinfeld, the top show for years and years in many countries around the world? In this global market ... the best product or the best marketed product always wins.

Can you tell me why Mc Donald's and KFC are popular in big cities in India and China? Isn't that more weird than someone from Barrie singing songs about Texas.

It is a fact that American products like music and movies dominate most English speaking markets. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand. Do you know that Indian music and movies dominate most Hindi speaking markets including their arch enemy Pakistan! I find that even more weird!
American products and pop culture dominate the Anglophone market because two thirds of English speakers live in the United States. I do think it's somewhat worrisome that other English speaking countries aside from the UK itself don't produce much of their own pop culture though.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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No it does not. Pakistan consumes 90% of Indian music and movies. Ask any Pakistani you know if you don't believe me.
This may be true (I know Indian culture especially movies is popular in its part of the world outside its borders), but even if true, it just means that Pakistan is in the same situation of acculturation as English Canada is.

That does not make it "normal'', since most places in the world are not like this. In most places, culture from elsewhere (especially the US) complements the local culture, it does not completely supplant it.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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Not to the same extent. Plus, Australia isn't a successful example of generating local culture either, although not as sad as Canada.

I don't know Australia well, but I doubt Australians consume American pop culture 24/7 like Canadians do, without even trying to create something more original.

Quebec speaks French, and I doubt Quebecois listen to French music and watch French TV 24/7.
Australians have a lot of their own stuff. Their TV shows are often at the top of the ratings or the most popular shows are a mix of Aussie and American stuff. Sometimes British stuff shows up there too. Australian movies also occasionally score high at the box office, something you never seen in Canada outside Quebec.

It's much more balanced a cultural diet that in English Canada. More like Quebec in fact.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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They don't dominate nearly as much as they do in Canada. Think in the UK, Oz and NZ are much more balanced, even though obviously American stuff is more present there.
How do you know that? Based on the examples you are using:
There are shows like Australia/NZ got talent etc ....
Look at the top 10 music charts for Australia/NZ .....
top 10 movies in Aus/NZ
These are all easy to verify.

For example: NZ Top 40 Singles Chart | The Official New Zealand Music Chart
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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This may be true (I know Indian culture especially movies is popular in its part of the world outside its borders), but even if true, it just means that Pakistan is in the same situation of acculturation as English Canada is.

That does not make it "normal'', since most places in the world are not like this. In most places, culture from elsewhere (especially the US) complements the local culture, it does not completely supplant it.
I am very happy that you agree. Now, extend this media market dominance to the following countries:
Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka (all of which don't even speak the main Indian language).

So are you telling me that all these countries are more or less Indian by nature? No! They have very bad relationships. As in people from these various countries hate each other (Nepal -- India is an exception).

So, how are "most people" in the world not like this? That's over 1.6 billion people? And I am sure I am missing some countries.

So, why is that a Canadian watching American Idol over Canadian Idol is becoming less Canadian and more American?
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Old 10-08-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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So, how are "most people" in the world not like this? That's over 1.6 billion people? And I am sure I am missing some countries.
About 75% of them are living in the country where that culture is the domestic culture so that doesn't really count. Also, we'd have to see what the degree of acculturation is and how it compares to English Canada.
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