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Old 04-06-2015, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Some of you may have been keeping up with the foofaraw about a religious freedom bill in Indiana. Small-town pizzeria owners who declared they would not cater a same-sex wedding due to their religious beliefs (SSM is legal in Indiana, although the business has not been asked to cater one) was bombarded with hate e-mail.

Crowdfunding donations for Indiana pizzeria that supported RFRA capped at $842,387

What would happen in Canada? Do businesses up there have a right to refuse service?
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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You'd better not have the 'right' for that nonsense.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Canada
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You'd better not have the 'right' for that nonsense.
It's not a matter of what should be, it's a matter of what is. I'd be very interested to find out the answer to that question as regards Canada. I know that for medical professionals we can refuse services that we find morally objectionable, unless we are the only licensed provider of those services that can reasonably provide them to a client in an area or time period, and we must inform our employer of our objections before any incidents occur. But this has to do with professional codes, not national laws. I'd be curious to know how non-professional private businesses are allowed to operate. I found this op-ed, but it didn't really answer to question. Perhaps it has yet to be clarified in the jurisprudence?

Barbara Kay: The right to refuse service | National Post
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Some of you may have been keeping up with the foofaraw about a religious freedom bill in Indiana. Small-town pizzeria owners who declared they would not cater a same-sex wedding due to their religious beliefs (SSM is legal in Indiana, although the business has not been asked to cater one) was bombarded with hate e-mail.

Crowdfunding donations for Indiana pizzeria that supported RFRA capped at $842,387

What would happen in Canada? Do businesses up there have a right to refuse service?
You can refuse service to any individual you wish. You can't refuse service based on a protected class. No different than in most states. What is causing the kerfuffle in Indiana is that gays are not a protected class, and the Governor stated that it wasn't on his agenda to make it so. Therefore you could be an idiot and say No Gays and get away with it.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Ottawa
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In Quebec you can be refused service at restaurants, hospitals, and schools if you speak English. It's crazy but true.
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Old 04-06-2015, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Montreal > Quebec > Canada
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In Quebec you can be refused service at restaurants, hospitals, and schools if you speak English. It's crazy but true.
If you believe this, you are crazy.
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Some of you may have been keeping up with the foofaraw about a religious freedom bill in Indiana. Small-town pizzeria owners who declared they would not cater a same-sex wedding due to their religious beliefs (SSM is legal in Indiana, although the business has not been asked to cater one) was bombarded with hate e-mail.

Crowdfunding donations for Indiana pizzeria that supported RFRA capped at $842,387

What would happen in Canada? Do businesses up there have a right to refuse service?
No they do not have the right to refuse gays service. A church has the right not to perform gay weddings though.

There was a case in B.C. where owners of a B&B refused to let a room to a gay couple. If you are operating a business in Canada, you must everyone that is protected from discrimination by law.

Gay couple discriminated against, B.C. tribunal rules - British Columbia - CBC News


"Under the Canadian Human Rights Act, the grounds, or the group characteristics, protected from discrimination are:

race
national or ethnic origin
colour
religion
age
sex (includes protection for males and females, sexual harassment, pregnancy discrimination, and transgendered discrimination)
sexual orientation (includes protection for heterosexual, bi- sexual, gay men and lesbian women)
marital status and family status (includes protection if you are married, single, widowed, divorced, separated, or living common law)
disability
conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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In Quebec you can be refused service at restaurants, hospitals, and schools if you speak English. It's crazy but true.
You can be refused service in English, but not service in general.

If I hop in my car right now and drive 10 minutes, I can be "refused service'' (in French) about 20 times within an hour. No sweat.
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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It's not a matter of what should be, it's a matter of what is. I'd be very interested to find out the answer to that question as regards Canada. I know that for medical professionals we can refuse services that we find morally objectionable, unless we are the only licensed provider of those services that can reasonably provide them to a client in an area or time period, and we must inform our employer of our objections before any incidents occur. But this has to do with professional codes, not national laws. I'd be curious to know how non-professional private businesses are allowed to operate. I found this op-ed, but it didn't really answer to question. Perhaps it has yet to be clarified in the jurisprudence?

Barbara Kay: The right to refuse service | National Post
No, sorry, but I don't give any passes on this kind of stuff. I'm sure you can refuse certain services to people for different reasons, but it is completely unacceptable to refuse service to someone based on sexuality for anything ever. I don't care what is the technical law, it doesn't matter, because if it turns out it is, it shouldn't be.

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Old 04-06-2015, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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It seems like this would be a violation of Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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