Do African Americans and black Canadians really feel Canada is more racist than the United States? (2013, school)
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I did see his PR move yesterday. Glad he was met with hecklers. Tough for me to find a less genuine fella around.
This is the single Trudeau part that galls me to the rafters worse than his other failings.
To what extent has any of the Aboriginal inquiries resulted in substantive changes to our relationship with natives?
Why are we still waiting for some review of the governments portfolio of Native affairs with actual changes being announced? Years of this nonsense with no perceived movement forward.
The man cannot seem to escape doing the right thing at the wrong time. He squanders opportunities by the boatload of gaining credibility on any issue of import by giving mush-mouthed, pre-canned answers to press queries about current events, to then later perform a photo-op moment declaring his position as one of solidarity with right and morality that come off as phony and late to the party.
Why can't the guy take a risk once and awhile without the weeks, months of appearing apprehensive of result before ultimately deciding to do so anyway?
I get it he has to consider his answers towards any question designed to force his declaring Trump a turd in the world's punchbowl due to Trump's demonstrated proclivity for lashing out using the force of America's economic might to punish the nay-sayers.
Geez-louise, Trudeau should have realized by now it just doesn't matter if he treads softly around that idiot. Trump'll still badmouth whenever he deems it appropriate to phart another nugget of blather regardless of relevance or censure.
The same could be said for dealing with China over the Huawei issue, take a stand for god's sake!
Forget all of this nonsense of spending Canada's respect currency begging for a seat on the U.N. security council and serve them notice that if they cannot do anything about the likes of China kidnapping two Canadian citizens and holding them against any semblance of international law, why would we want to have a seat on such an impotent committee?
Start serving notice that the status quo of simply 'going along to get along' just doesn't cut it anymore. We won't starve, we won't wither up and blow away.
This is the single Trudeau part that galls me to the rafters worse than his other failings.
To what extent has any of the Aboriginal inquiries resulted in substantive changes to our relationship with natives?
Why are we still waiting for some review of the governments portfolio of Native affairs with actual changes being announced? Years of this nonsense with no perceived movement forward.
The man cannot seem to escape doing the right thing at the wrong time. He squanders opportunities by the boatload of gaining credibility on any issue of import by giving mush-mouthed, pre-canned answers to press queries about current events, to then later perform a photo-op moment declaring his position as one of solidarity with right and morality that come off as phony and late to the party.
Why can't the guy take a risk once and awhile without the weeks, months of appearing apprehensive of result before ultimately deciding to do so anyway?
I get it he has to consider his answers towards any question designed to force his declaring Trump a turd in the world's punchbowl due to Trump's demonstrated proclivity for lashing out using the force of America's economic might to punish the nay-sayers.
Geez-louise, Trudeau should have realized by now it just doesn't matter if he treads softly around that idiot. Trump'll still badmouth whenever he deems it appropriate to phart another nugget of blather regardless of relevance or censure.
The same could be said for dealing with China over the Huawei issue, take a stand for god's sake!
Forget all of this nonsense of spending Canada's respect currency begging for a seat on the U.N. security council and serve them notice that if they cannot do anything about the likes of China kidnapping two Canadian citizens and holding them against any semblance of international law, why would we want to have a seat on such an impotent committee?
Start serving notice that the status quo of simply 'going along to get along' just doesn't cut it anymore. We won't starve, we won't wither up and blow away.
We may actually start a trend.
I can't disagree with any of this Bru.
I will take it a step further though. He doesn't take bold chances, because he doesn't actually truly believe in anything he says for PR reasons. He is full of sh*t, that has been exposed time and time again.
Anyone who thinks this guy stands for anything at all is at best naive. I judge people by their actions, not words and he has very little of the former and a plethora of the latter.
I will take it a step further though. He doesn't take bold chances, because he doesn't actually truly believe in anything he says for PR reasons. He is full of sh*t, that has been exposed time and time again.
Anyone who thinks this guy stands for anything at all is at best naive. I judge people by their actions, not words and he has very little of the former and a plethora of the latter.
I would argue only to the extent of his sincerity on SOME issues. As is normal for entitled personage, he will not take risk because he's never had to. He might actually be sincere on many of his stances but it comes to naught because he's averse to emoting his position unequivocally.
Other than that; I'd still take him over Scheer, Makay and a few others of the opposition as the lessor of the insincere bunch seconded to run against him in the future.
We have created the duplicate scenario in Canada that I have opined the U.S. political machine suffers from; making of the job such an acrimonious and debasing exercise so as to make most sensible and intelligent people totally averse from seeking any higher office.
Smart people want nothing to do with sitting in the big chair and are therefore content to back bench themselves for the pension and backhanders that inevitably present themselves during a politician's normal career cycle.
As always though; we do ultimately get only what we deserve.
I would argue only to the extent of his sincerity on SOME issues. As is normal for entitled personage, he will not take risk because he's never had to. He might actually be sincere on many of his stances but it comes to naught because he's averse to emoting his position unequivocally.
Other than that; I'd still take him over Scheer, Makay and a few others of the opposition as the lessor of the insincere bunch seconded to run against him in the future.
We have created the duplicate scenario in Canada that I have opined the U.S. political machine suffers from; making of the job such an acrimonious and debasing exercise so as to make most sensible and intelligent people totally averse from seeking any higher office.
Smart people want nothing to do with sitting in the big chair and are therefore content to back bench themselves for the pension and backhanders that inevitably present themselves during a politician's normal career cycle.
As always though; we do ultimately get only what we deserve.
Bru, the bolded is so on point. Politics really does attract the "C" list so to speak. Of course, there are exceptions, but not enough to make the group that sits in those positions any more competent of late.
Regarding the rest. Yes, I am sure if we go down the list issue for issue we can find something Trudeau is genuine about. When it comes to the thread we are replying to (Racial issues) I find him as phony as a $2 bill.
Malcolm X warned us about the Trudeau's of the world when he said that "The white Liberal is the worst enemy of the black man" Anyone of colour who trusts this fool deserves what they end up with.
I would argue only to the extent of his sincerity on SOME issues. As is normal for entitled personage, he will not take risk because he's never had to. He might actually be sincere on many of his stances but it comes to naught because he's averse to emoting his position unequivocally.
Other than that; I'd still take him over Scheer, Makay and a few others of the opposition as the lessor of the insincere bunch seconded to run against him in the future.
We have created the duplicate scenario in Canada that I have opined the U.S. political machine suffers from; making of the job such an acrimonious and debasing exercise so as to make most sensible and intelligent people totally averse from seeking any higher office.
Smart people want nothing to do with sitting in the big chair and are therefore content to back bench themselves for the pension and backhanders that inevitably present themselves during a politician's normal career cycle.
As always though; we do ultimately get only what we deserve.
Smart people don't usually want to get involved in politics because it takes them away from their career. They are usually content with fools so long as it doesn't impact them personally.
I think we can agree that all racism etc is wrong, so why are you trying to pit groups against each other?
I may disagree with some other the tactics of BLM in Canada, but I don't disagree with their message.
One does not need to be black to experience discrimination. Recent news about racism in Canada is about discrimination against indigenous people. That was my point. Canadians need to be more aware of systemic discrimination of indigenous people.
I understand that everyone experiences some form of discrimination at some point in their life for one reason for another, and that the black community is today being heard in the USA. I don't agree with Canada adopting the problems in another country, but I do agree with Canada reflecting on its own history of discrimination.
One does not need to be black to experience discrimination. Recent news about racism in Canada is about discrimination against indigenous people. That was my point. Canadians need to be more aware of systemic discrimination of indigenous people.
I understand that everyone experiences some form of discrimination at some point in their life for one reason for another, and that the black community is today being heard in the USA. I don't agree with Canada adopting the problems in another country, but I do agree with Canada reflecting on its own history of discrimination.
That's been the case with many of the solidarity protests that have been taking place around the world. It isn't just about Floyd, but about discrimination happening in other countries.
That's been the case with many of the solidarity protests that have been taking place around the world. It isn't just about Floyd, but about discrimination happening in other countries.
In a perfect utopian world everyone is treated with respect and dignity from the day they are born until the day they die, but we don't have a perfect world. Discrimination happens on so many levels, from being treated like a ignorant foreigner for having a non-anglo name to being told by 20 somethings (today's human rights protesters) to go home and bake cookies rather than pursue a phd because that's what older people do.
The world is a funny place, and it seems that our wonderful internet has given birth to the international mob mentality. Instead of having healthy conversations to promote change about real problems that happen in our communities, we have a mob that is reacting to a problem in a foreign country. It's good that problems in the USA have re-started the conversation about police brutality of Indigenous people in Canada. Hopefully we will see change in Canada regarding police brutality, and not just a conversation about policy and then it's under the carpet again.
My preference would be that people care enough to first have the healthy conversation rather than start with reactive mob behaviour, and to look at the broader scope of discrimination of people rather than race.
From personal experience having been in the RCN back in the early 60's and stationed for a short time in Halifax, your post is right on the money.
We have "less racism" in the same context that a Volkswagon Beetle has less pollution footprint than a Greyhound bus.
Now; asking those who grew up in Africaville Halifax if they would have chosen instead to grow up in Birmingham Ala. during that time frame might be worth perusing BUT only in the area of racism by exposure.
We assume the racism problem in Canada did not rise to the level of cutting out the gonads of blacks with a rusty razor blade and pouring turpentine into the open wound, or lynching them for merely speaking to white girls in Halifax. Nor did the army ever have to be used to escort them into public schools while they were being spit on and threatened with death by their teen age peers clustered around them.
Why didn't the level of overt racism rise to that level of depravity in Canada would also be a question worth asking.
BUT: regardless of width depth and breadth of the problem; the problem exists in Canada and should not.
It didn't come to that extreme because, at that time, Canada simply was not multiracial like the US was. I believe the south was majority black in the 60s and before, at least in most areas.
That provided an opportunity for friction that other, often equally racist societies of the time never practically felt, simply because they never had to confront the issue of racial integration.
The narrative that blacks are so downtrodden in the US is also skewed; African and Caribbean immigrants out-earn native born white Americans, typically.
The fact that America is ripping itself apart at the seams for George Floyd, and for a form of active, violent racism that doesn't actually exist, is telling.
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