Adding Water to Dry Food (vomiting, throwing, liquid, dogs)

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[quote=wilson1010;12913927]Didn't we just get through a scandal involving cat deaths and Chinese supposed protein additives to the best canned foods? I am unconvinced that canned foods are superior in general or in specific.

Indeed. All of these canned brands utilized Chinese "protein additives" that turned out to be Melamine:
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Are you accusing them of KNOWINGLY using poisoned "protein additives" in the canned food? That the poison is STILL in the canned foods now?

What about the dry foods? None went in them? How odd since I remember the shelves 1/2 empty because the stores pulled the bags.

You never heard about the aflatoxins, rancidity and molds in dry pet feeds? Ever read the ingredients on the bags?

[=^..^=]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Well, the thread advocated canned cat foods generally in case you missed that. And the 2007 recall covered about 90% of all canned cat foods based on sales volume. And, you can add the largest pet store to grocery and vets as the source of the poisoned food. So where do you get your canned cat food except pet stores, grocery or vets?

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So because the Chinese sold the US pet food industry poisoned protein additives *one time* you believe they're still using it in canned foods? That from now on all canned cat foods are poisoned? You can't be serious.

Cats don't need all the vegetable matter you mentioned in your post above. They're obligate carnivores. The don't need fruit ,vegetables, root crops or grains. And they sure don't need all the preservatives in dry food.

[Wilson513]

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Originally Posted by wilson1010

Didn't we just get through a scandal involving cat deaths and Chinese supposed protein additives to the best canned foods? I am unconvinced that canned foods are superior in general or in specific.

Indeed. All of these canned brands utilized Chinese "protein additives" that turned out to be Melamine:
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(snipped for brevity)

Are you accusing them of KNOWINGLY using poisoned "protein additives" in the canned food? That the poison is STILL in the canned foods now?

What about the dry foods? None went in them? How odd since I remember the shelves 1/2 empty because the stores pulled the bags.

You never heard about the aflatoxins, rancidity and molds in dry pet feeds? Ever read the ingredients on the bags?

Your thesis was that canned foods, unlike dry foods contain undesirable additives. I think we saw from the 2007 scandal that canned food makers not only used filler additives but didn't even know what they were putting in the cat food.

And, I posted the ingredients on Innova EVO chicken and turkey cat and kitten above. They seem to know what is in their product.

[Travel'r]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Well, the thread advocated canned cat foods generally in case you missed that. And the 2007 recall covered about 90% of all canned cat foods based on sales volume. And, you can add the largest pet store to grocery and vets as the source of the poisoned food. So where do you get your canned cat food except pet stores, grocery or vets?

While it appears you may just be in the mood for a good argument today, I will respond for the benefit of those who stumble upon this forum for information:

No, I did not miss:
"good quality canned food" quoted by first respondent, Garden.

NOR: The many LINKS posted by =^..^=. chock-full of expert information provided by Feline Specialists.

The 2007 recall comprised of those JUNK foods -- NOT the never-heard-of-before *good, quality canned foods" which frantic pet owners were scrambling to find after they'd done their research. Our area PetSmart and the rest did not yet have these foods in stock, so we drove to the next county after tracking down a Pet Pantry which specialised in HEALTHY, species-appropriate foods for pets.

Where does my family get the food now? Well PetCO (or PetSmart) and many other outlets now magically carry these once obsolete-unheard of foods because of the demand (no) thanks to the recalls of those horrible, most popular & advertised, and all-too widely available junk foods, and more people becoming educated with the truths.

Have a nice day

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by Travel'r

Where does my family get the food now? Well PetCO (or PetSmart) and many other outlets now magically carry these once-unheard of foods because of the demand (no) thanks to the recalls of those horrible, most popular & advertised, and all-too widely available junk foods.

Have a nice day

Petsmart's brand is Nutro or Max Cat as you may know it. One of the recalls and loaded with crap such as cereal garlic, etc.

The other junk foods recalled were IAMS and Science Diet.

The links posted were press release types, little science involved.

My point was and is that just because its in a can and Petsmart made it, doesn't mean its any good. On the contrary. Petsmart's house brand has rice and oats as main ingredients. Which was after all the point I objected to. The poster essentially said "don't use dry food they have cereal." Well Evo doesn't have cereal and most of the "best" canned brands available at "grocery, vets, and Petsmart" do. I don't care what you do with your cats but persons who stumble on this thread should not be misled into thinking that just because its in a can and made by Nutro or IAMs, etc. it is better than the dry product.

[Resilientsmile]

As is the case with people food, you must READ THE LABELS! Also, educate yourself as to the appropriate diet of the feline carnivore, as opposed to what is convenient for the human. It takes a little more time(and money) to feed high quality canned food but (for me and my kitties) it is totally worth it.


to the OP, your cat should not be puking, despite the speed in which it eats. My Olive eats his share (of high quality canned) in 20 seconds flat, no barfing after.

I hope you take to heart the advice of the canned food advocates here. They have a wealth of information to share. They helped me come to my senses.

[Travel'r]

Wilson1010, I see what you are saying in post #15, but apparently you have totally misunderstood, as nobody has even eluded to PetSmart making a food.
(They do sell many different manufacturers' brands.)
"Good, quality" food would be the likes of Wellness Core and such, species-appropriate foods with MEAT suitable for an obligate carnivore -- no grains or other junk -- just meat, with its accompanying moisture.
I'd hope that anyone confused by this thread will just get fed up and look up "Cat" and/or "Obligate Carnivore" in their closest dictionary/Encyclopedia
No margin for error with facts.

(As for the links comment ... no comment.) I think you may just be kidding around for some fun-lively debate now.)

[Ohiogirl81]

Missladybug15, it's unfortunate that no one in more than a dozen posts has bothered to answer your question.

I don't know about adding water to the food, but there are some other ways to keep your cat from eating too fast: Pet her while she's eating, give her smaller amounts of food more often if that's feasible, or even stick a ping pong or similar sized ball in her bowl so she has to nose it around to get to the food.

Also, make sure she has plenty of water to drink. We keep a bowl near our cats' food, and another in the kitchen. They like it when we stick a couple of ice cubes in their water bowls as well.

[Travel'r]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Missladybug15, it's unfortunate that no one in more than a dozen posts has bothered to answer your question.

Yet you just repeated one of djanelle's suggestions (ball in bowl.)

The question was: how much water to add to dry food, and people answered the question, with explanations.

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by Travel'r

"Good, quality" food would be the likes of Wellness Core and such, species-appropriate foods with MEAT suitable for an obligate carnivore -- no grains or other junk -- just meat, with its accompanying moisture.
I'd hope that anyone confused by this thread will just get fed up and look up "Cat" and/or "Obligate Carnivore" in their closest dictionary/Encyclopedia
No margin for error with facts.

Here are the ingredients in Wellness Core:

Ingredients

Deboned Turkey http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link)




Deboned Chicken http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link)




Turkey Meal http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Turkey meal is the dry rendered (cooked down) product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone derived from the parts of whole carcasses of turkey--exclusive of feathers, heads, feet, or entrails.

Turkey meal is an excellent source of protein in commercial pet foods. This ingredient is very digestible and very palatable. Natura uses this ingredient in combination with fresh chicken, fresh turkey and chicken meal in some of our dog food formulas.


Chicken Meal http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Chicken meal is the dry rendered (cooked down) product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone, derived from the parts of whole carcasses of chicken -- exclusive of feathers, heads, feet, or entrails.

Natura uses high-quality chicken meal in many of our foods as an excellent source of protein.


Potatoes http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Potatoes are whole tubers of the plant.

Natura uses only whole, fresh potatoes. They are not pre-processed, so they retain all of their important nutrients. Potatoes provide B vitamins, carbohydrates, zinc, vitamin C, copper, iron, magnesium, niacin and potassium. Natura uses only fresh, whole fruits and vegetables, just like you would buy at the grocery store.


Dried Ground Potatoes http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link)




Tomato Pomace http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Tomato pomace is the mixture of tomato skins, pulp, and crushed seeds.




Natural Chicken Flavor http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Natural Flavors are flavor ingredients that do not contain synthetic or artificial components.




Canola Oil http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Canola oil is the oil obtained from the repeated pressing of canola, a cultivar of rapeseed.




Chicken Liver http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Chicken liver is the hepatic gland of a chicken.

Chicken liver is used primarily to enhance the flavor of pet foods. Natura does not use liver. Because organ meats, such as liver, can contain variable nutrient levels, Natura prefers to avoid organ meats and uses only high quality chicken meat or chicken meal in our foods.


Salmon Oil http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Salmon Oil is the oil extracted from cannery refuse of salmon.




Flaxseed http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Flaxseed is the whole seed of the flax plant.

Flaxseed is a good source of both soluble and insoluble fiber. Together these fibers aid in digestion and help to maintain good stool consistency. Flaxseed is also an excellent source of omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids (such as alpha-linolenic acid). These fatty acids help produce the soft, luxuriant coat on your pet for which Natura is known.


Carrots http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Carrots are the roots of the carrot plant, and a member of the parsley family.

Innova dog and cat foods contain whole fresh carrots.


Sweet Potatoes http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Natura uses 100% pure and natural sweet potatoes which are produced in accordance with good manufacturing practices.

Sweet potatoes are an excellent source of antioxidants such as Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A, Vitamin C and Vitamin E, as well as Potassium, Calcium, Iron and other vitamins and minerals. They are a good source of natural dietary fiber, and add a healthy, sweet taste to the food. Sweet potatoes are a source of complex carbohydrates that offers an alternative to traditional choices for pets.


Kale http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link)




Broccoli http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link)




Spinach http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Spinach is an annual vegetable plant grown for its leaves.

Fresh spinach leaves are a rich source of Vitamin A, C and iron. This is an excellent addition to any pet food.


Parsley http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Parsley is a bright green, biennial herb that is very common in Middle Eastern, European, and American cooking. It is used for its leaf in much the same way as coriander, although it has a milder flavor.

Parsley is valued as a breath-freshener, due to its high concentration of chlorophyll.


Apples http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) A member of the rose family, the apple has a compartmented core and is thus classified as a pome fruit.

Apples are an excellent source of dietary fiber. About 81% of the fiber is soluble; most of it is of a type called pectin. Apples provide both soluble and insoluble fiber, some vitamin C and beta carotene, and potassium and boron. Natura uses this nutritious fruit in its whole form to obtain all of its wholesome nutrients.


Blueberries http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Blueberries are the edible fruit of the blueberry bush.

Blueberries are a good source of fiber. They may add an interesting color or flavor to the food, which can affect a pet's taste preference.


Vitamins http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Vitamins are organic compounds that function as parts of enzyme systems essential for the transmission of energy and the regulation of metabolisms of the body.

AAFCO regulates minimum standard quantities of vitamins in levels that pets need to survive. All pet food manufacturers supplement their products with vitamins. Beyond meeting these minimum requirements, all Natura products contain a complete vitamin and mineral supplement program that helps pets to thrive, not just survive. Included in our foods are some of the following vitamins and minerals: Ascorbic Acid, Beta Carotene, Biotin, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Choline Chloride, Cobalt Carbonate, Cobalt Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Dicalcium Pantothenate, dl-Methionine, Folic Acid, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Niacin, Potassium Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin C Supplement (Sodium Ascorbate), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement (Alpha Tocopherol), Zinc Proteinate Natura adds these important vitamins and minerals, in proper balance to its foods to ensure that your pet gets all the necessary nutrients for life and good health every day.


Minerals http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Minerals are inorganic substances essential for a host of vital processes within the body.

AAFCO regulates minimum standard quantities of minerals in levels that pets need to survive. All pet food manufacturers supplement their products with minerals. Beyond meeting these minimum requirements, all Natura products contain a complete vitamin and mineral supplement program that helps pets to thrive, not just survive. The minerals Natura uses are chelated, providing three to ten times greater assimilation than common minerals. Included in our foods are some of the following vitamins and minerals: Ascorbic Acid, Beta Carotene, Biotin, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Choline Chloride, Cobalt Carbonate, Cobalt Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Dicalcium Pantothenate, dl-Methionine, Folic Acid, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Niacin, Potassium Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin C Supplement (Sodium Ascorbate), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement (Alpha Tocopherol), Zinc Proteinate Natura adds these important vitamins and minerals, in proper balance to its foods to ensure that your pet gets all the necessary nutrients for life and good health every day.


Chicory Root Extract http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Chicory Root Extract is primarily composed of the polysaccharide inulin, which has been extracted from the root by a mechanical process. Chicory Root is a thick-rooted blue-flowered European perennial composite herb widely grown for its roots and as a salad plant.

Commonly known as a soluble fiber the inulin derived from the Chicory Root is a fructooligosaccharide added to help maintain digestive tract health and function.


Yucca Schidigera Extract http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link)




Glucosamine Hydrochloride http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Glucosamine hydrochloride is a compound that occurs naturally in the cartilage cushioning the joints.

Glucosamine, together with chondroitin sulfate, is believed to support the cartilage matrix.


Chondroitin Sulfate http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link) Chondroitin sulfate is a long chain carbohydrate derived from connective tissue.

Chondroitin sulfate naturally occurs in the cartilage cushioning our joints. Given in additional amounts, with glucosamine, it is believed to attract fluid back into joint cartilage, helping maintain the cartilage matrix.


Rosemary Extract http://www.naturapet.com/images/expand-icon.gif (broken link)


Now, I think the first advocacy for canned food was that it did not contain cereal. Turns out most did and fillers too, even poisoned fillers. Even the better brands.

I posted the ingredients of a dry food with no fillers (what I use - EVO) and then we heard (not from you but from the person with no name) that all those vegetable are not needed. You have posted what is needed is MEAT.

Now your best product is heavily populated with vegetables (to which I do not object) but I return to my main point. Just because it comes in a can doesn't make it better.