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Old 07-29-2013, 04:17 PM
 
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Yes this was already established earlier in this topic.

US Airways is behind this bill. They wrote it. Their reasons have not been made public, but it's reasonable to assume they were not getting satisfaction from the Charlotte city council.

It lays to rest this is some sort of vendetta of the GA against CLT. That idea is nonsense.
Lol. you say they wrote it, sure..... Why did they (GA) need US Airways to write anything, all they did was cut and paste the Asheville bill from last year. It's not a vendetta per se but a power grab....see my old post; money and power and of course a bit of politics in everything.

It's also more than reasonable to believe some of the power brokers were uneasy with Orr leaving and the city appointing their "guy", thus redirecting that $200 million dollars worth of contracts. First the rent-a-cops...what next? That had to raise an eyebrow with all that money out there....don't you think? Sure, the reason for the airport authority is to "protect" the interest of operations. It's protecting some interest (and dividends) alright.

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Old 07-29-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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BREAKING: After a two hour closed door session CTLCC emerged and showed a letter from the FCC expressing concerns about the legality of the takeover. It's hard to read what I saw and I know I'm being vague but I wanted to post before the 11pm news
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Barqpa and the GA are the only people defending this... lol. Everyone else, GOP/Conservatives included, are against this.

I'm from Pittsburgh and the Pittsburgh Airport did everything USAir asked them to do and they still left...

Not sure if this is a good idea... seems like it was rushed and dishonest. Not sure how anyone who lives in the Charlotte area can applaud this move.
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If nothing is broken at the airport, then why did US Airways write the Airport Authority Bill?

These vendetta, political conspiracy and barrel of monkeys, theories fail to address this singular fact.


Source?

No one, except yourself believe the airport is broken. Authority supporters want to see the most successful airport to continue to be successful.

US just wants to make it clear to keep cost low. Charlotte prints money for US. They're not going anywhere unless CLT becomes unprofitable.


It's a power grab, and punishment for being a democratic stronghold and for us being arrogant. It's politics. It's stupid.


What business doesn't go to the government throwing their weight around?



US/America were threatening to take flights from smaller cities to DC if they were forced to make divestures of slots at DC. They swung their fist and made threats, but in recent days they're starting to offer concessions after they saw they couldn't man handle DOJ/DOT.

While that's not very similar to our situation (where we care about US and DC doesn't), m point is every single company always tries to talk tough in regards to lower taxes, etc. Like the Panthers, for example.... Though unlike the panthers, Charlotte is much much more valueable as a hub than LA for US/AA.


US has constantly stated publicly they don't care who owns the airport, but about low cost.
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:16 PM
 
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Source?

No one, except yourself believe the airport is broken. Authority supporters want to see the most successful airport to continue to be successful.

US just wants to make it clear to keep cost low. Charlotte prints money for US. They're not going anywhere unless CLT becomes unprofitable.
And why add more monkeys?
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:06 PM
 
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First article post tonight's meeting I've seen. I'm not sure why the council is so excited. I don't see a smoking gun though I haven't seen the full letter either.

Charlotte says feds bolster case for city to keep CLT - Charlotte Business Journal
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:00 PM
 
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First article post tonight's meeting I've seen. I'm not sure why the council is so excited. I don't see a smoking gun though I haven't seen the full letter either.

Charlotte says feds bolster case for city to keep CLT - Charlotte Business Journal

Excerpt.....


"City government has had oversight of Charlotte Douglas for nearly 80 years. Under the current structure, the City Council retains ultimate authority for contracts, property purchases and other operating and construction projects...."

I rest my case....it's all about money, control and power. I'm all for an airport authority but the power play to seize control without city leader input has created a mess. And the authority should have oversight over all airports within the authority's jurisdiction.

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Old 07-29-2013, 09:18 PM
 
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"City government has had oversight of Charlotte Douglas for nearly 80 years. Under the current structure, the City Council retains ultimate authority for contracts, property purchases and other operating and construction projects...."

I rest my case....it's all about money, control and power. I'm all for an airport authority but the power play to seize control without city leader input has created a mess. And the authority should have oversight over all airports within the authority's jurisdiction.
Yah but whose money? I know the city has ultimate authority but under the original plan other airports were victim too and in fact Charlotte city council could have power over them. That makes no sense. Maybe they just did that as a smokescreen. But I've never been around during a contract bidding to see who at the city was doing more than rubber stamping.
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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I know enough to know the real battle is not just about who will give out the orders at the airport but who will now be controlling and spending the money. Good ole boys look after good ole boys you know not to mention who has jobs now that wont have them after Orr and company are out?
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Old 07-30-2013, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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....This is about US Airways and what it wants. Nothing more/nothing less. The locals can either accept the airline is in a position to demand certain controls and concessions on the matter or be willing to stand up to them in a very public manner and say NO and live with the consequences. The fact of the matter is that whether the city prevails in it's lawsuit or not, this fact remains at the end of the day.

The city is now left with two bad choices. It can either accept the commission law as written, or hand it over to the court and let a judge decide it for them. My recommendation, since you are interested, is for them to accept the former and move on. At least in that case, they still have some control over the matter.
I called it. 2 choices. The city has decided to go to court instead of working to settle differences with US Airways.

The city staged theatrics of last night, which included the CMPD who were there to prevent the local media from asking questions (according to WSOC) was some good Kabuki theater but what I said in the bold section above is what will happen. In this case the city had decided to hand the real decision making process to the courts. Nothing else said matters. Because...

It was US Airways that authored the original Airport Authority Bill.

Of course this is about power & money. US Airway's power and money. They pay for that airport and they want a big say in what happens out there. Else they would not have gotten involved in this mess. No matter what anyone says, the only thing that matters is what US Airways really wants, and they apparently don't want the city council meddling in the day to day business of the airport.

Now that the city has made this decision, nothing else said or done matters until the court weighs in on the matter.
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Old 07-30-2013, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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USA/AMR agrees to give up Heathrow Slot

As I said in the previous post, the Charlotte City Council gave some great Kabuki Theatre last night. They wasted a lot of time on it. Meanwhile.....

In order to gain approval from the EU for the AMR/USA merger the two airlines have agreed they will give up one of their route slots at Heathrow airport. It will be interesting to see which Hub will lose this route.

So while the city is hyperventilating about the commission, who on the city (since they want to run things) is working with USA/AMR to insure that CLT isn't going to lose out to the other Hubs?

(crickets)
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