Shootings in Chicago (Hampshire: law, gangs, move)

[chrawnick]

Originally Posted by ofcjim40

There isn't one. Sadly that's the answer. Unless they would be allowed to be eradicated like wild rabid roaming dogs it will continue. There will never be an end to gang violence unless society becomes so frustrated and basically vigilante justice ensues. There's no amount of money, jobs or touchy feely programs that can be implemented that will end this. Once you see what true gang bangers are all about and deal with them one on one, you will see they have zero interest in a peaceful and normal society. Sorry, but this is the sad truth. The ones on the fringe have some hope for reform, the true hardcore don't. They are urban terrorists that aren't much different than the Taliban or Alqaeda. Once society views them for what they are and takes off the kid gloves, they can be stopped. Is over 50 shot and 10 dead in a few days not war?

Yup.

The gangs already know what they're going to get when they get caught. They don't care.

They know that nobody's going to do anything but protest, hope the violence will stop, drown in fear, etc.

[sunnyandcloudydays]

Originally Posted by linicx

Gangs have had little fear of the law since the death penalty was taken off the table. Why should they? "Three hots and a cot for life" is always better than the needle. The bonus is the in-house gang they can join, or the outside gangs they can run from their cells.

There is no consistency in the legal system. A thug in NJ killed a cop, wounded another, and is guilty of six serial killings. He got 100 years + 20 years with no parole when he should have gotten the magic cocktail with his last meal. A MO pedophile molested his daughter for 10 years. He got 7 years and has to register as a sex offender like his father and brother did in Indiana. He should have gone to general population and never seen the light of day again. None should; and they should not have special treatment.. either. G.P. is the prison system equalizer. I say let it work.

Yeah, It's easy to run a gang from inside a prison cell when you have a prison population that is constantly changing.

Group A. Comes in while Groub B leaves and goes back out into the streets to start the cycle all over again and with orders from the leaders holed up.

Have to agree with you there is no FEAR it's all a perception of them being superior to the justice system and the people behind the badges.

Somewhere along the line the outlaws stopped fearing the law.
Probably due to weak sentences early releases etc.

Sometimes one's belief gets clouded by the death penalty however its unfair for the victims of sensless acts for the perp to get such a puny sentence.

Maybe Cook County should head out to AZ and look into the program you were talking about.

Sounds like the Sheriff out there has things in order.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by linicx

Gangs have had little fear of the law since the death penalty was taken off the table. Why should they?

Gangs continue to do what they do in spite of the risk of being shot and killed by other gangs. Why would the death penalty makes a difference? Isn't the whole motto of being a gang banger that you just don't give a ****?

[ofcjim40]

Urza I have to agree with you on this one. People that don't deal with gang members on a regular basis don't understand how they truly don't care about society, and certainly aren't following the news for law changes and politics. They care about getting paid, getting laid and getting drunk/stoned. The majority of real gangbangers operate on about the mentality of a 16 year old that doesn't care. They give a crap about today, much less getting locked up and sitting on death row forever. Honestly about the only thing that will stop gang bangers is the law abiding citizens shooting them dead on the spot when they commit a crime and burning their hangouts to the ground. And no I'm not kidding. The tactics of polite society will not end gangs. Basically a scorched earth policy that instill fear in their hearts that makes it be a liability to be a gang member will outweigh the benefit of being in one. Basically bangers fear nothing. The judicial system is a joke. They do no time and cases get tossed. The a Cop gives one of them a well deserved crack and the City will pay them out $80,000. The axis of this world really has shifted to a sad place.

[aragx6]

Disagree. Like soldiers, most of them consider themselves the walking dead. Risk of death means nothing to them.

[eevee]

Originally Posted by urza216

Gangs continue to do what they do in spite of the risk of being shot and killed by other gangs. Why would the death penalty makes a difference? Isn't the whole motto of being a gang banger that you just don't give a ****?

Originally Posted by aragx6

Disagree. Like soldiers, most of them consider themselves the walking dead. Risk of death means nothing to them.

Basically. It's not as in reinstating the death penalty will equal a decrease in gang violence (hell, wasn't the death penalty just recently made illegal in IL? Seems like when it didn't make that much of a difference when crime was worse). They don't fear death or jail and the younger ones think they are immune to both (or at the very least, their juvie records are sealed). Jail and death isn't going to eradicate gangs; only hitting them where it hurts- their wallets- will have an effect.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by eevee

Jail and death isn't going to eradicate gangs; only hitting them where it hurts- their wallets- will have an effect.

I believe you meant their rubber band. But, point taken.

[LeotheOrangeCat]

Originally Posted by eevee

Basically. It's not as in reinstating the death penalty will equal a decrease in gang violence (hell, wasn't the death penalty just recently made illegal in IL? Seems like when it didn't make that much of a difference when crime was worse). They don't fear death or jail and the younger ones think they are immune to both (or at the very least, their juvie records are sealed). Jail and death isn't going to eradicate gangs; only hitting them where it hurts- their wallets- will have an effect.

a lot more are killed on the street then would ever be killed by the deah penalty

[LITTLE TOWN]

So where is a safe place to live in chicago? Am coming from a small town and is moving there soon for a job with my family?

[SmartGXL]

Originally Posted by ofcjim40

There so many areas for me to chime in with with others above have mentioned, but I will later when I have the time. But I'll touch on one point quickly:

Legalizing drugs would have little impact on ending gangs. Gangs are all about territory, violence and money. Dope just happens to be one of the trades they deal with. You take that off the table they'll fill that void with other revenue streams. Burglaries would literally go through the roof and robberies will increase. If anything the dope trade is helping to keep them "pacified". With dope you are basically selling to "consumers". If one product is removed from the market they'll find an alternative market. More cars will be stolen, more guns traded, more homes burglarized for money and electronics, more people robbed of their cellphones, money and credit cards. If anything the dope keeps them contained in their boundaries. With this gone they'll have to venture out further and hit more middle and upper class areas to get their proceeds. Gangs will never compromise their economics. If anything, if dope is legalized it'll be taxed and marked up outrageously like cigarettes are. Cigs have a HUGE black market and thefts. Dope gets legalized, stores that sell it will be burglarized to resell on the street for cheaper too. Dope doesn't equal gangs, gangs equals them making money anyway they can.

I agree with this. There has also been speculation that the gangs would turn to start kidnapping people for ransom money (which is what they do in places like Mexico City).