CHICAGO population grows 2%, remains 3rd largest city (Joliet, Lincoln: neighborhood, buses)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Kmanshouse

If anything Florida has gotten redder. As has Ohio. But for totally different reasons.

Florida gets redder because Cubans fear anything resembling communism or propaganda that says democrats are for socialism. And more Cubans come to Florida every year.

Ohio is harder to figure out. This used to be THE battleground state. Now it's pretty much a GOP stronghold - it's taken the political vibe from Indiana instead of MI or PA.

Florida will be interesting. You do have a lot of Cubans coming in and they definitely aren't Democrats. But you also have people from blue states such as IL and NY migrating there in droves. I mean, they have several Portillos and Gino's Easts for God's sake! That should tell you something. My money is on the latter group because if Cuban immigration picks up steam, you will see Democrat policies on immigration, how shall we say, adjust a little bit.

Ohio isn't much of a surprise. It has had slow population growth and just lost a house seat. Its major urban centers are not really on the radar of young people. My guess is their more progressive residents will head to other locales, like cities in FL and TX.

[Don Cuccino]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Florida will be interesting. You do have a lot of Cubans coming in and they definitely aren't Democrats. But you also have people from blue states such as IL and NY migrating there in droves. I mean, they have several Portillos and Gino's Easts for God's sake! That should tell you something. My money is on the latter group because if Cuban immigration picks up steam, you will see Democrat policies on immigration, how shall we say, adjust a little bit.

Ohio isn't much of a surprise. It has had slow population growth and just lost a house seat. Its major urban centers are not really on the radar of young people. My guess is their more progressive residents will head to other locales, like cities in FL and TX.

A lot of Puerto Ricans are moving to Florida and they tend to vote Democratic. Also, younger Cubans aren't as right wing as their parents or grandparents, not saying they are liberal just not as hardcore as old cubans

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...131-story.html

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...ing-last-year/

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Don Cuccino

A lot of Puerto Ricans are moving to Florida and they tend to vote Democratic. Also, younger Cubans aren't as right wing as their parents or grandparents, not saying they are liberal just not as hardcore as old cubans

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...131-story.html

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...ing-last-year/

Good point. I put FL as dark blue by 2030. Like a slightly more rednecky California with more retirees.

[Bluefox]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Good point. I put FL as dark blue by 2030. Like a slightly more rednecky California with more retirees.

I’m not sure… there’s a big assumption that Hispanic voters are just going to vote blue. That clearly wasn’t the case in the last elections and not just with Florida Cubans. Plenty of conservative Hispanic people in Texas and Florida other than Cubans.

[SonySegaTendo617]

Originally Posted by personone

Agree. In people's heart of hearts, I think they know that Chicago isn't that bad (it's the 3rd largest city in the US!), but it has become the en-vogue thing to equate with Chicago. LA is acting, NY is wall street, Chicago is crime.

No matter how many cities have worse crime "rates," until Chicago can consistently (over a stretch of 5-7 years) get rid of weekly summer weekend headlines of 50 shot, 10 dead; and until another city can take over in terms of "total" violent crimes numbers, it will not lose its reputation. The only city that is in striking distance is Philly, but it's total numbers are still pretty far below Chicago's. And for the reputation to be forgotten by the general public, it will take at least 5 years of Chicago avoiding the lofty weekend numbers and another city (i.e. Philly) taking its place for people to forget.

New York and LA are both much larger than Chicago, and have been able to avoid the kinds of numbers Chicago has, so it is possible. But something (from a strategy perspective) is amiss as Chicago, year after year, has these kinds of numbers.

Until Chicago rids itself of this, it will not reach its full potential. People will not be moving here in droves with the crime reputation.

Chicago used to be known for skyscrapers, sports, and food. Now the first thing people think of, nationally and internationally, is violent crime. Having a movie, "Chiraq," named after your city doesn't help. The city doesn't realize that this is the biggest impediment to it becoming a globally great city.

It's sad to think anyone would consider crime, to be the number #1 thing associated with Chicago. It easily is more about other things IMO, like food, architecture, skyscrapers, etc. Why food or architecture isn't the #1 thing, I don't know.

Especially when the worst crime incidents, are confined to certain parts of the city. Yes it does suck that crime infrequently may occur in a nicer part of Chicago, but it doesn't mean the whole city sucks to live in.

That said, it'd be nice Chicago Police Department was ran better. It'd be great if crime clearance(essentially, solving crimes) could go up, and that they should do their jobs better (i.e. the failure that something like 2 or 3 cars managed to get onto LSD, during Bike the Drive this past weekend due to all the entrances onto LSD not properly barricaded). Also I've reported crime incidents to CPD before, and why is it too often I can smell officers not taking their job seriously and professionally enough?

[sf_arkitect]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

They can invest in upgrading infrastructure if need be. As you said storms and freak cold spells or whatever haven't been a deterrent for people moving to cities such as Houston Dallas Phoenix Miami.... That's why they are the fastest growing areas in the country. It's not like we aren't prone to weather disasters. People don't move to Chicago for the climate that's for sure, but the climate here is a contributing factor as to why many have moved.

Dallas and Houston have built themselves into a hole.... low density housing tracts sprawling out into the farm land. Sure it provides cheap housing for newcomers but it is incredibly inefficient land use and it is unsustainable because it presses new residents into relying on car ownership for their primary means of transportation!! Traffic, pollution, and increasingly more roads and highways to maintain..

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by SonySegaTendo617

It's sad to think anyone would consider crime, to be the number #1 thing associated with Chicago. It easily is more about other things IMO, like food, architecture, skyscrapers, etc. Why food or architecture isn't the #1 thing, I don't know.

Especially when the worst crime incidents, are confined to certain parts of the city. Yes it does suck that crime infrequently may occur in a nicer part of Chicago, but it doesn't mean the whole city sucks to live in.

That said, it'd be nice Chicago Police Department was ran better. It'd be great if crime clearance(essentially, solving crimes) could go up, and that they should do their jobs better (i.e. the failure that something like 2 or 3 cars managed to get onto LSD, during Bike the Drive this past weekend due to all the entrances onto LSD not properly barricaded). Also I've reported crime incidents to CPD before, and why is it too often I can smell officers not taking their job seriously and professionally enough?

The only way the homicide clearance rates are going to go up will be if the people in the 'hood start talking about what they see, or they get pushed out by the crime. Sadly it will probably be the latter because the former show no signs of happening.

[jobaba]

Chicago's problem is that it is a lesser version of different cities.

It doesn't have it's own flavor.

Like, you may prefer Denver, New Orleans, or Los Angeles to NYC.

Chicago doesn't have anything distinct.

[Master Jay]

I'd move to Chicago sooner than later.

[G in MP]

Originally Posted by jobaba

Chicago's problem is that it is a lesser version of different cities.

It doesn't have it's own flavor.

Like, you may prefer Denver, New Orleans, or Los Angeles to NYC.

Chicago doesn't have anything distinct.

Hhhhwwwhat?!!! Chicago's got lots of problems, but lack of flavor ain't one of them, sorry!