Chicago crime thread: Place all crime-related posts here (Lincoln, Leland: license plate, deals)

[Master Jay]

Cool Arrow, good day!

Not since about 1940, my friend.

[Kmanshouse]

there are 3 reasons for the increase in "non-murder" crime in Chicago.

1) We don't have nearly enough cops. Huge shortage. Criminals know this. Most murders are very personal thus this is not affected.

2) Everything costs more, people are desperate and angry, and thus feel okay just taking from others that have more than they do.

3) There is a perception from criminals, especially young dumb kids, that they won't be punished long term, if caught. They'll get a slap on the wrist, maybe 48 hours in the clink, and then be able to do it all over again.

#3 is the only one that's changeable by voting. It's certainly a factor, it doesn't help that our laws are set up the way they are. But that by itself isn't going to magically make crime way less.

There is this belief that Chicago is purposefully not hiring police officers. That is not the case. The city is trying to recruit - they are almost 2000 short. 2000! There is budget for 14,000 - and they have about 12,000.

[Master Jay]

Kmanshouse, in fact, yesterday while riding the L, I saw an ad for application for CPD Officer.

[Bitey]

Originally Posted by Kmanshouse

there are 3 reasons for the increase in "non-murder" crime in Chicago.

1) We don't have nearly enough cops. Huge shortage. Criminals know this. Most murders are very personal thus this is not affected.

2) Everything costs more, people are desperate and angry, and thus feel okay just taking from others that have more than they do.

3) There is a perception from criminals, especially young dumb kids, that they won't be punished long term, if caught. They'll get a slap on the wrist, maybe 48 hours in the clink, and then be able to do it all over again.

#3 is the only one that's changeable by voting. It's certainly a factor, it doesn't help that our laws are set up the way they are. But that by itself isn't going to magically make crime way less.

There is this belief that Chicago is purposefully not hiring police officers. That is not the case. The city is trying to recruit - they are almost 2000 short. 2000! There is budget for 14,000 - and they have about 12,000.

The "no pursuit" policy doesn't help either.

[Master Jay]

Time to be Charles Bronsons, Team!!!

[dtcbnd03]

Originally Posted by Kmanshouse

there are 3 reasons for the increase in "non-murder" crime in Chicago.

1) We don't have nearly enough cops. Huge shortage. Criminals know this. Most murders are very personal thus this is not affected.

2) Everything costs more, people are desperate and angry, and thus feel okay just taking from others that have more than they do.

3) There is a perception from criminals, especially young dumb kids, that they won't be punished long term, if caught. They'll get a slap on the wrist, maybe 48 hours in the clink, and then be able to do it all over again.

#3 is the only one that's changeable by voting. It's certainly a factor, it doesn't help that our laws are set up the way they are. But that by itself isn't going to magically make crime way less.

There is this belief that Chicago is purposefully not hiring police officers. That is not the case. The city is trying to recruit - they are almost 2000 short. 2000! There is budget for 14,000 - and they have about 12,000.

1 - This is because of Adam Toledo type laws that treat criminals like victims and cops like criminals. We need to change the laws to protect cops and eliminate all lawsuits with only exceptions of extreme negligence. This will in turn improve cop recruiting. Another way to send that message is for people to start suing the families of "victims" if and only if they bring lawsuits against the cops/city. We've got to figure out a way to sue the family of Adam Toledo and others like them. A law that allows others to sue "victims" when they file lawsuits. For example members of the neighborhood where he was firing his gun could file a lawsuit and possibly turn it into a class action.

2. Complete BS. Employment is at highs and people were given tons of free money during covid causing inflation.

3. Agree. Toughen shoplifting laws and allow security at stores to take action. Number 1 is changeable by voting too.

[Kmanshouse]

Covid money ran out long ago dude. Now we are left with everything costing more. Employed people aren't the ones running around robbing people, so employment rate is completely irrelevant.

[dtcbnd03]

Originally Posted by Kmanshouse

Covid money ran out long ago dude. Now we are left with everything costing more. Employed people aren't the ones running around robbing people, so employment rate is completely irrelevant.

No it didn't. SF Fed states that excess savings from pandemic is set to run out in Q3 2023. "Our analysis suggested that some $500 billion of the $2.1 trillion in total accumulated excess savings remained in the aggregate economy by March 2023. Our updated estimates suggest that households held less than $190 billion of aggregate excess savings by June. There is considerable uncertainty in the outlook, but we estimate that these excess savings are likely to be depleted during the third quarter of 2023."

https://www.frbsf.org/our-district/a...demic-savings/

The people robbing stores/people are criminals and organized crime. You claim its cause of high costs which is BS. It's cause of lax laws.

[Cool Arrow]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

No it didn't. SF Fed states that excess savings from pandemic is set to run out in Q3 2023. "Our analysis suggested that some $500 billion of the $2.1 trillion in total accumulated excess savings remained in the aggregate economy by March 2023. Our updated estimates suggest that households held less than $190 billion of aggregate excess savings by June. There is considerable uncertainty in the outlook, but we estimate that these excess savings are likely to be depleted during the third quarter of 2023."

https://www.frbsf.org/our-district/a...demic-savings/

The people robbing stores/people are criminals and organized crime. You claim its cause of high costs which is BS. It's cause of lax laws.

The laws there were in place in 2022 and 2023 are the same ones that were in place before crime went up.

[Kmanshouse]

Originally Posted by Cool Arrow

The laws there were in place in 2022 and 2023 are the same ones that were in place before crime went up.

Mostly correct. The people are changing more than the laws.

Maybe Kim Foxx leaving next year will help.

Mostly, we need cops to fill those empty spots. And we need to detain more of these perps for longer.