Illinois ending cash bail system (Chicago: lawyers, cost, safe)

[Fedupwiththis]

All I know is the kids who were the worst behaved and always getting in trouble with teachers/police were the ones with no discipline at home. Some people never grow up. It's easy to see what will happen here.

[Master Jay]

Good morning, all. Wishing you well.

You know, I strive to always stay a very upbeat, handsome, positive, honest etc. person.

So one thing I need to be honest about that was pondering with a coworker the other day was: HOW will this affect those in Law Enforcement and/o those considering a career in law Enforcement?

You have to imagine how one's job satisfaction and sense of purpose are altered when they are doing their duty to protect and serve, all to find out that through their hard work, the people they detained for committing crimes are essentially released.

This, on top of the risk to their own lives... I can't help feel criminals will be more brazen and become even more violent towards law officials, due to this heightened sense of "you all can't do anything to me/ it is worth the risk/ no sense of immediate consequences/ etc."

Well, please continue to salute or thank our Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Social Workers, and Teachers.

[Bitey]

Originally Posted by Master Jay

So one thing I need to be honest about that was pondering with a coworker the other day was: HOW will this affect those in Law Enforcement and/o those considering a career in law Enforcement?

Unfortunately we already have the answer to both questions, at least as regards to how the shift in political climate which birthed this garbage piece of legislation is concerned.

As to the former, it has shattered morale, led to a wave of resignations and early retirements, and left the CPD so grossly understaffed they're forced to work 12-hour shifts, often go 3 to 5 weeks straight without a single day off, and frequently get vacation days cancelled -- which in turn is doing no favors for the already flagging morale. Can we say "Negative Feedback Loop?"

As to the latter, being on the CPD force was once considered such a highly prestigious job there was a years-long waiting list just to take the academy admissions test. Fast-forward a couple years and they've had to lower several key standards just to try to get enough people interested in applying, particularly ditching the minimum 60 college credits requirement and allowing applicants with certain criminal convictions to apply who had until recently been excluded. And it still isn't enough.

Make no mistake, the current ruling class wants it this way and so do many of its constituents. THAT'S the truly scary part.

[Master Jay]

Bitey, my friend,

Remember my words: The fear of punishment being removed from the criminal element + the choice to NOT be employed in Law Enforcement because of this loss of morale/feelings of no support/criminals not fearing to attack you in law enforcement = the beginning of what will become the "Escape From New York" society.

The positive of this, I believe more "good citizens" who stay will turn vigilante!! Who will stop them? Heck, if there ARE police, they will view the vigilantes as the only ones who DO support AND help their cause!!!!

[treemoni]

You don't need college credit to be an effective police officer. That was a discriminatory requirement in the first place. It can also be argued that someone who has been to prison and decides they want to be a police officer (wtf? Lol) would probably be more likely to keep their job over some privileged person who has never been. Because ex-prisoner has seen both sides (and will probably face more scrutiny because of it).

I really can't tell if you guys are serious.

[Bitey]

Originally Posted by Master Jay

Bitey, my friend,

Remember my words: The fear of punishment being removed from the criminal element + the choice to NOT be employed in Law Enforcement because of this loss of morale/feelings of no support/criminals not fearing to attack you in law enforcement = the beginning of what will become the "Escape From New York" society.

As the old saying goes... those who are kind to the cruel will be cruel to the kind.

Originally Posted by Master Jay

The positive of this, I believe more "good citizens" who stay will turn vigilante!! Who will stop them? Heck, if there ARE police, they will view the vigilantes as the only ones who DO support AND help their cause!!!!

The police might, but that doesn't mean the legal system will. Ask Kyle Rittenhouse for further details, or others who were put through the legal wringer when left to fend for themselves in the chaos of 2020 -- some of whose final legal dispositions weren't as favorable as young Kyle's such as that goofball couple who stood guard on their own balcony in St. Louis while a BLM mob shouted threats at them. The same crackpots who don't want police policing, REALLY don't want citizens policing either; and they'll make you pay if you take it upon yourself to do so in a way that conspicuously contravenes their political ends.

I've shared my view on this with you before but I'll restate it here: this would NOT be a positive development, it would be negative development in response to another negative development; another potential feedback loop that doesn't go anywhere good. It might be an understandable, and I fear at this point maybe even an inevitable development, but not a positive one.

We got a small taste of what such "community policing" looks like in 2020, particularly with CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle and the whole Rittenhouse situation in Kenosha; and it wasn't pretty. We don't want 17-year-old kids patrolling the streets with sport rifles and/or quasi-criminal gangs manning checkpoints to our neighborhoods, accountable to nobody but themselves in that moment. In fact preventing such scenarios is a primary reason to have a well-staffed, well-trained law enforcement apparatus with plenty of public transparency and oversight.

[PJSaturn]

This thread has been cleaned up, deleting inappropriate and off-topic posts. People, stay on topic and stop the childish bickering. If the thread goes awry again, it will be permanently locked.

[Eastern_glow]

Ending cash bail will not turn out well.

[treemoni]

Originally Posted by Eastern_glow

Ending cash bail will not turn out well.

Agreed. It's tough losing a revenue source. What will replace it? I'm sure that's being worked out if it hasn't already.

[Bitey]

Originally Posted by treemoni

Agreed. It's tough losing a revenue source. What will replace it? I'm sure that's being worked out if it hasn't already.

"Revenue source?" Do you even know what bail is for or how it works? (HINT: the state doesn't get to just keep the money.)