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Man would I ever love to see the Englewood area get resurrected to it's former glory days of the 20's through the 40's. I recall they had some amazing synagogues there back in the day that were a work of art. But of course the Jews moved out and now it's a mainstay of drugs and gangs. That would be quite a effort and needless to say as you've pointed out, many would be uprooted. But indeed what price is there to "cleaning up" a neighborhod? And also where to those ner do well's end up?
I believe you're thinking of North Lawndale/Garfield Park which in their heyday were very heavily Jewish. AAMOF, the 24th Ward, which encompasses North Lawndale went more heavily for FDR in 1936 than any other neighborhood in the country!
Sorry man. I will take most of Chicago over NWI any any any day of the week. North Shore or Hinsdale area trapped and unhappy because they don't live in NWI like you? Seriously? Sounds like insecurity to me.
No dude, they are "trapped"...by family, jobs, mortgages. I grew up on the North Shore and came back to Chicagoland some 25 years after I left...easy for me to make the smart choice and invest in Gary.
I truly feel sorry for those trapped in JB...ie Jabba's dystopic bankrupt nightmare.....
I believe you're thinking of North Lawndale/Garfield Park which in their heyday were very heavily Jewish. AAMOF, the 24th Ward, which encompasses North Lawndale went more heavily for FDR in 1936 than any other neighborhood in the country!
Oops you are right missed that one. Yeah Lawndale was quite the sweet area many years ago. Sad it ever went down the tubes. But that happened in so many of the formerly white neighborhoods (thanks to the white flight encouraged by real estate agencies). Oh well. A little late to turn back now.
No dude, they are "trapped"...by family, jobs, mortgages. I grew up on the North Shore and came back to Chicagoland some 25 years after I left...easy for me to make the smart choice and invest in Gary.
I truly feel sorry for those trapped in JB...ie Jabba's dystopic bankrupt nightmare.....
That's interesting. I thought I heard that Gary was crawling back slowly from where they've been over the last 50 years. That could be interesting to see if they manage to resurrect in some manner. I too grew up on the south side till age 13 (Jeffrey Manor) formerly "Leave It To Beaver Land" and now a gang and drug war infested area. We moved to Highland Park when I went to High School and lived till age 25. Moved out West and never looked back (nor would I). All my relatives are GONE. And I don't miss what that area has become.
No dude, they are "trapped"...by family, jobs, mortgages. I grew up on the North Shore and came back to Chicagoland some 25 years after I left...easy for me to make the smart choice and invest in Gary.
I truly feel sorry for those trapped in JB...ie Jabba's dystopic bankrupt nightmare.....
If Englewood was a city it would basically be Gary.
300 days have passed in 2022. Out curiosity, I tallied the number of days in which no murders occurred in Chicago using sun-times tracking, and it turned out to be 67 days. That leaves the number of days when a murder occurred to the remaining 233 days, averaging at least two killed on such occasions. It's just the average; there have been many times four or more have been killed in a day, just like on Wednesday and last weekend. When the city saw 800 murders in 2021, there were maybe at least a month worth when it saw no one murdered, but it is those instances of multiple people being killed in a day that's preventing the city from having a murder rate closer to New York City and continues to have the most homicides ever year since 2012.
New York city in 2021 had a total of 488 murders; adjusted to population that amounts to a murder rate of 5.5/100,000. For Chicago to see an identical rate, it can have only 150, give or take. Given the way things are for many decades, it appears practically an impossible task to accomplish for a city that sees at least 400 even in a relatively peaceful year. Keep in mind, this compares to a NYC that saw its highest number of murders in over a decade; but if I were to use the lowest rates for NYC pre-Covid, then Chicago will need to reduce its numbers fewer than 100; Toronto in a nutshell. But what does a Chicago with 5.5 murder rate looks like? Look no further than the north side, which if I were to tally numbers from last year and especially this year, it would come out around that figure, maybe a little higher at 6 per 100k. The last time the city as whole had a rate in that range was 1943 when it was at 4.9/100k or 169 homicides for a population of 3.4/3.5 million. 1940s Chicago was perhaps at its most prosperous; coming out of prohibition, gang homicides being at all time low, and the population was soaring and the economy on a boom. But whether it's the north side or 1940s Chicago, both are drastically different in terms of demographics from whom these egregious affects the most. Yes, it's no secret that most victims and offenders in these murders are black/African American; 75% or 430 of the victims according to sun-times are black. It's a very touchy subject to broach, but without implication of basically making the south/west side a carbon-copy of the north side in racial and ethnic make-up, there needs to be a way to close the racial wealth gap between black and white/Asian Chicagoans. I think it will be nearly impossible for this to transpire without there being a cultural shift within black Chicago especially the youth, because even taking into account latinos, who under high levels of poverty relative to white non-hispanics, have rates still much lower than that of blacks in Chicago. Also, implementing policies that will deter criminals from committing murders without severe consequences will go a long way in reducing Chicago's murder rate somewhere along NYC's level.
300 days have passed in 2022. Out curiosity, I tallied the number of days in which no murders occurred in Chicago using sun-times tracking, and it turned out to be 67 days. That leaves the number of days when a murder occurred to the remaining 233 days, averaging at least two killed on such occasions. It's just the average; there have been many times four or more have been killed in a day, just like on Wednesday and last weekend. When the city saw 800 murders in 2021, there were maybe at least a month worth when it saw no one murdered, but it is those instances of multiple people being killed in a day that's preventing the city from having a murder rate closer to New York City and continues to have the most homicides ever year since 2012.
New York city in 2021 had a total of 488 murders; adjusted to population that amounts to a murder rate of 5.5/100,000. For Chicago to see an identical rate, it can have only 150, give or take. Given the way things are for many decades, it appears practically an impossible task to accomplish for a city that sees at least 400 even in a relatively peaceful year. Keep in mind, this compares to a NYC that saw its highest number of murders in over a decade; but if I were to use the lowest rates for NYC pre-Covid, then Chicago will need to reduce its numbers fewer than 100; Toronto in a nutshell. But what does a Chicago with 5.5 murder rate looks like? Look no further than the north side, which if I were to tally numbers from last year and especially this year, it would come out around that figure, maybe a little higher at 6 per 100k. The last time the city as whole had a rate in that range was 1943 when it was at 4.9/100k or 169 homicides for a population of 3.4/3.5 million. 1940s Chicago was perhaps at its most prosperous; coming out of prohibition, gang homicides being at all time low, and the population was soaring and the economy on a boom. But whether it's the north side or 1940s Chicago, both are drastically different in terms of demographics from whom these egregious affects the most. Yes, it's no secret that most victims and offenders in these murders are black/African American; 75% or 430 of the victims according to sun-times are black. It's a very touchy subject to broach, but without implication of basically making the south/west side a carbon-copy of the north side in racial and ethnic make-up, there needs to be a way to close the racial wealth gap between black and white/Asian Chicagoans. I think it will be nearly impossible for this to transpire without there being a cultural shift within black Chicago especially the youth, because even taking into account latinos, who under high levels of poverty relative to white non-hispanics, have rates still much lower than that of blacks in Chicago. Also, implementing policies that will deter criminals from committing murders without severe consequences will go a long way in reducing Chicago's murder rate somewhere along NYC's level.
We all know the key contributors to lowering violence and revitalization of the south and west sides is building dense multi-family housing, living-wage jobs, educational institutions, cultural attractions, public-transportation and aggressive policing/prosecution. Diversity is critical even though the protests are fierce over gentrification and displacement. We don't ever need to equal New York's statistics per-capita, we only need to significantly reduce our totals in isolation. If Chicago was at even 300 homicides a year we'd begin seeing the change in perception.
The city needs to stop promoting policies that cause stagnation. For example, assuring demographics will never change restricts what's possible in our disinvested areas. Let evolution take its natural course but without building more Lincoln Park's which is an awful model to replicate. We need real big-city transformation rather than suburbanites hijacking neighborhoods.
There's a willingness to sacrifice urbanity for any suburban-style/low-scale investment that comes along without realizing how negatively it may impact the built environment long-term for the sake of tax-benefits in the short-term. Think Dearborn Park, Central Station or all the townhomes along the river.
If we ever got serious about being a truly vibrant urban center that provides the ability to live and work in world-class neighborhoods throughout the entire city we'd dial back the restrictions, abolish single-family-home zoning, encourage large scale developments and promote T.O.D along with making streets pedestrian friendly and invest in public transit. A light-rail network, BRT, C.T.A expansions, protected bike lanes, removing parking requirements and building mid & high-rise neighborhoods would all transform Chicago into the best version of itself.
New York has an infinitely superior civic-pride and visionary leaders/investors that make possibilities endless. They believe New York is the greatest city in the world and their ambitions reflect it. Chicago suffers from small-town, small-minded planning and policies with many being self-defeating and our neighborhoods reflect it.
If Englewood was a city it would basically be Gary.
Englewood is three square miles ... Gary is 50 square miles
Gary is also home to interstates 80/94/65/Indiana Toll Road, US routes 12/20, every major freight rail line. It has 14 miles of Lake Michigan waterfront, including a 6-mile beach that is part of the Indiana Dunes National Park, a brand new massive Casino on 80/84, an Indiana University Campus, an airport that is breaking records and is positioned to become Chicagolands 3rd commercial airport....and has the cleanest State Government and lowest taxes in all of Chicagoland.
We all know the key contributors to lowering violence and revitalization of the south and west sides is building dense multi-family housing, living-wage jobs, educational institutions, cultural attractions, public-transportation and aggressive policing/prosecution. Diversity is critical even though the protests are fierce over gentrification and displacement. We don't ever need to equal New York's statistics per-capita, we only need to significantly reduce our totals in isolation. If Chicago was at even 300 homicides a year we'd begin seeing the change in perception.
The city needs to stop promoting policies that cause stagnation. For example, assuring demographics will never change restricts what's possible in our disinvested areas. Let evolution take its natural course but without building more Lincoln Park's which is an awful model to replicate. We need real big-city transformation rather than suburbanites hijacking neighborhoods.
There's a willingness to sacrifice urbanity for any suburban-style/low-scale investment that comes along without realizing how negatively it may impact the built environment long-term for the sake of tax-benefits in the short-term. Think Dearborn Park, Central Station or all the townhomes along the river.
If we ever got serious about being a truly vibrant urban center that provides the ability to live and work in world-class neighborhoods throughout the entire city we'd dial back the restrictions, abolish single-family-home zoning, encourage large scale developments and promote T.O.D along with making streets pedestrian friendly and invest in public transit. A light-rail network, BRT, C.T.A expansions, protected bike lanes, removing parking requirements and building mid & high-rise neighborhoods would all transform Chicago into the best version of itself.
New York has an infinitely superior civic-pride and visionary leaders/investors that make possibilities endless. They believe New York is the greatest city in the world and their ambitions reflect it. Chicago suffers from small-town, small-minded planning and policies with many being self-defeating and our neighborhoods reflect it.
Dense housing is worthless if you don't uphold the rule of law. Cabini Green proved that you can give away housing and put it near the jobs but if you don't actually arrest and remove troublemakers because "he was a good boy who didn't do nothing wrong" then it'll degrade and anyone that can WILL move away. You wanna fix the city, then there's ALOT of young people who need to be put in prison. Assault, armed car jackings, violence... you can't just look the other way and pretend you don't understand why people decide to leave or that an area falls apart from a lack of investments. Look at the El, not keeping it safe has led to many people continually avoiding it instead of leveraging such an asset.
Dense housing is worthless if you don't uphold the rule of law. Cabini Green proved that you can give away housing and put it near the jobs but if you don't actually arrest and remove troublemakers because "he was a good boy who didn't do nothing wrong" then it'll degrade and anyone that can WILL move away. You wanna fix the city, then there's ALOT of young people who need to be put in prison. Assault, armed car jackings, violence... you can't just look the other way and pretend you don't understand why people decide to leave or that an area falls apart from a lack of investments. Look at the El, not keeping it safe has led to many people continually avoiding it instead of leveraging such an asset.
100%. They don’t realize that “tough love” would benefit the vast majority of people in these communities who are good citizens. Being tough on crime is taboo nowadays, and the end result is what you see in many of these bad neighborhoods, and why Chicago is in the media all the time.
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