Good question about hell (women, believing, scripture, Holy Spirit)

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by PurpleHeart

We must let the Bible explain itself. Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed with everlasting, or eternal, fire (Jude 7), and that fire turned them "into ashes" as a warning to "those that after should live ungodly." 2 Peter 2:6. These cities are not burning today!!! The fire went out after everything was burned up. Likewise, everlasting fire will go out after it has turned the wicked to ashes (Malachi 4:3). The effects of the fire are everlasting, but not the burning itself.

The term "for ever, eternal, everlasting" as used in the Bible, means simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have already ended.

Besides, if the lost lived forever in an "hellfire", that would mean Satan was telling the truth in Genesis 3 when he said, "You shall surely not die"! And that would mean the lost also receive access to the tree of life and are given immortality when Jesus returns.. But that contradicts the bible!!!!

The word "eternal" in Mat 25:41 is the Koine Greek word "aionios" which is derived from the noun "aion" which means an "age" or "era". The word itself leaves the time limit of the age undefined.

There are classical Greek words that do stand for endless, but such words aren't used in the NT.

To the contrary. The wicked are not turned to ashes. Once they have been resurrected out of torments in hades, They stand before Jesus Christ at the Great white throne judgment in their resurrected bodies and they are then thrown into the lake of fire where they spend eternity in conscious torment (Revelation 20:11-15). By the time that Satan is thrown into the lake of fire at the end of the Millennium, the antichrist and the false prophet will have already been there for 1000 years.

The destruction of the cities was only the beginnng of the punishment of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. They are in 'Torments' in hades this very moment awaiting their final transference to the lake of fire.

Aionios means eternal. I have gone over this time and again on other threads and will not do so again here.

When Satan told that lie in which he said 'you shall not surely die', he was referring to spiritual death. Loss of relationship with God. God had already warned Adam in Gen 2:17 'But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you sall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it, dying (spiritually) you shall die (physically). That's in the original Hebrew. Adam died spiritually. That is, he lost his relationship with God the moment he ate the fruit in disobedience. As a result of his spiritual death, he died physically much later.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. The Scripture is clear. The meaning, precise.

[JOHNC10]

By: Mike
"The destruction of the cities was only the beginnng of the punishment of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. They are in 'Torments' in hades this very moment awaiting their final transference to the lake of fire."

You are saying they are still frying at this very moment right? Will they ever be taken out of that fire and experience life without any burning torment ?

[PurpleHeart]

Originally Posted by Mike555

To the contrary. The wicked are not turned to ashes. Once they have been resurrected out of torments in hades, They stand before Jesus Christ at the Great white throne judgment in their resurrected bodies and they are then thrown into the lake of fire where they spend eternity in conscious torment (Revelation 20:11-15). By the time that Satan is thrown into the lake of fire at the end of the Millennium, the antichrist and the false prophet will have already been there for 1000 years.

The destruction of the cities was only the beginnng of the punishment of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. They are in 'Torments' in hades this very moment awaiting their final transference to the lake of fire.

Aionios means eternal. I have gone over this time and again on other threads and will not do so again here.

When Satan told that lie in which he said 'you shall not surely die', he was referring to spiritual death. Loss of relationship with God. God had already warned Adam in Gen 2:17 'But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you sall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it, dying (spiritually) you shall die (physically). That's in the original Hebrew. Adam died spiritually. That is, he lost his relationship with God the moment he ate the fruit in disobedience. As a result of his spiritual death, he died physically much later.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. The Scripture is clear. The meaning, precise.

I strongly disagree with your post because it contradicts the Scriptures! Your interpretation is totally in err. I reject your representation of god and my God is different to yours. We do not worship the same deity.

It amazes me how some people call themselves "Christians" and claim they love God, yet on the other side they teach others that God is a vile and horrific monster who will burn and torture His lost children FOREVER! It makes me cry to see people paint God as this monster.

I guess some people will never accept truth that there is no eternal hellfire as they treasure the thought that God is a vile monster that will torture for ever in total agony his lost children.

There is NO eternal hellfire! That is NEVER taught in the Hebrew/Greek manuscripts. It's only in English translations we seem to get the understanding of an eternal burning fire because of English words used such as; eternal, forever etc! But under these words in the original languages, it does NOT mean endless at all.

I get so sad how Satan has tricked so many with this eternal agony teaching which stems from his 1st lie[Gen 3:4]

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Do you people not understand the concept of eternal destruction away from the presence of God and from the glory of His power. Away from the presence of God refers to having no relationship with God. Fire refers to judgment. With reference to 2 Thess 1 when the Lord returns, unbelievers will be judged with eternal destruction away from the presence of God. It is described in Matthew 25:41 as the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Here now. I will post both passages together.

Matthew 25:41 ''Then He will also say to those on His left, ''Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels. 46) ''And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

2 Thess 1:7 ''and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire (judgment) 9) dealing
out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9) And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His
power, 10) when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and be marveled at among all who have believed...

Different passages describing the same event. It is the baptism of fire, in which all tribulational unbelievers are cast into the eternal fire when Christ
returns at the end of the tribulation. It is the event which was prophesied by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:12.

DOCTRINE OF THE BAPTISM OF FIRE « Bible Prophecy For Today

What Is the Baptism of Fire? : ChristianCourier.com

#3 Baptized with the Holy Spirit and Fire (3:15-18) -- JesusWalk

Mike, what I can't understand is why YOU can't understand WHO and WHAT the fire is???

And, by the way, with the fruits you're producing you'll probably get tossed there yourself, which isn't necessarily a BAD thing!

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by PurpleHeart

I get so sad how Satan has tricked so many with this eternal agony teaching which stems from his 1st lie[Gen 3:4]

Why would Satan trick people into believing there is hell? Think about it. The Bible is crystal clear about the existence of hell, and that Satan is destined for it, so why on earth would help people understand it? His goal is to take as many people as possible with him to hell, so your statement makes no sense whatsoever. And also ask yourself this: if all people will be saved as URs think, then isn't Satan wasting his time deceiving people? What would be his purpose?

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by herefornow

And, by the way, with the fruits you're producing you'll probably get tossed there yourself, which isn't necessarily a BAD thing!

Leave the judging to God will ya. Thanks.

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Leave the judging to God will ya. Thanks.

Not judging, Finn. We all gotta go through it, either now or later.

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Why would Satan trick people into believing there is hell? Think about it. The Bible is crystal clear about the existence of hell, and that Satan is destined for it, so why on earth would help people understand it? His goal is to take as many people as possible with him to hell, so your statement makes no sense whatsoever. And also ask yourself this: if all people will be saved as URs think, then isn't Satan wasting his time deceiving people? What would be his purpose?

Destruction, chaos, confusion, torment..........

Proverbs: Ascend, so you may escape hell beneath.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by JOHNC10

By: Mike
"The destruction of the cities was only the beginnng of the punishment of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. They are in 'Torments' in hades this very moment awaiting their final transference to the lake of fire."

You are saying they are still frying at this very moment right? Will they ever be taken out of that fire and experience life without any burning torment ?

I said that they are now in hades in the compartment called "Torments'. At the end of the Millennium, they will be resurrected out of Hades and in their resurrected bodies they will be thrown into the lake of fire where they will spend eternity. (Revelation 20:11-15)

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by PurpleHeart

I strongly disagree with your post because it contradicts the Scriptures! Your interpretation is totally in err. I reject your representation of god and my God is different to yours. We do not worship the same deity.

To the contrary. It is not a matter of interpretation. The Scriptures are completely clear on the matter of the eternal punishment of the unbeliever.

It amazes me how some people call themselves "Christians" and claim they love God, yet on the other side they teach others that God is a vile and horrific monster who will burn and torture His lost children FOREVER! It makes me cry to see people paint God as this monster.
I guess some people will never accept truth that there is no eternal hellfire as they treasure the thought that God is a vile monster that will torture for ever in total agony his lost children.

Yours is the same pathetic whining that the uni's make about how those who teach the truth about the eternal condemnation of the unbeliever must rub their hands in glee at the prospect of people being tortured forever.

God is not a monster. In justice, He consigns to the lake of fire all who reject His offer of salvation.

The unbeliever is NOT a child of God. If he dies without ever having been born again, he remains under eternal condemnation and will inhabit that place described as the lake of fire, forever.

There is NO eternal hellfire! That is NEVER taught in the Hebrew/Greek manuscripts. It's only in English translations we seem to get the understanding of an eternal burning fire because of English words used such as; eternal, forever etc! But under these words in the original languages, it does NOT mean endless at all.

I get so sad how Satan has tricked so many with this eternal agony teaching which stems from his 1st lie[Gen 3:4]

You don't know what you're talking about. The lake of fire and eternal torment is absolutely taught in the original languages. Any good Greek/English Interlinear Bible will easily show that. And you insult the Greek scholars who know the orignal language and what it says.


And your statement that it is Satan who wants people to believe in eternal torment is illogical. It is in fact Satan who wants people to think that everyone is going to be saved.


And I already told you that aionios means eternal.

When the word of God says eternal, it means eternal. As is shown below.

Although the basic root of 'aion' means age, not all words which are from that root mean a finite duration of time. The phrase 'ages of the ages' refers to an unlimited duration of time especially with an eye toward the future-as in forever, always, eternally, forever and ever.

Aion when used as an adjective (aionios) means eternal or forever. It is seen in the following passages that eternity is in view.

Luke 1:33 ''and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever.'' (eis tous aionios--into the eons).

Matt 6:13 '...for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever (eis tous aionios--into the eons).

Luke 1:55 'To Abraham and his offspring forever (eis ton aiona--into the eon).

John 6:51 'if anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever (eis ton aiona--into the eon).

Now regarding the phrase forever and ever...

Forever and ever--aionas ton aionon--ages of the ages.

I Tim 1:17; 2 Tim. 4:18; Rev. 1:18; Rev. 5:13; Heb. 13:21; Rev. 4:9-10; Gal. 1:5; 1 Pet. 4:11; Rev. 5:13; Phil. 4:20; Rev. 1:6; Rev. 7:12; Rev. 10:6; Rev. 11:15; Rev. 15:7; Rev. 22:5; Heb. 1:8. In all these passages aionas ton aionon means forever and ever.

And in like manner, when speaking of eternal condemnation the same phrase is used in Rev.19:3; Rev. 20:10; and Rev. 14:11.

Rev. 19:3 'HALLELUJAH! Her smoke rises up forever and ever.' (The judgment of Babylon mentioned here is only the beginning of the eternal punishment of the wicked)

Rev. 20:10 '...and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'

Rev. 14:11 'And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.'

Now. The Greek language uses repetition for emphasis.

Aionas ton aionon is literally forever and ever in English. This phrase is used in Gal. 1:5 ''...To whom be the glory forever and ever---eis tous aionas ton aionon.

The same phrase is used in

Phil 4:20 (God the Father);

2 Tim 4:18; Heb 13:21; 1 Tim 1:17; Heb. 1:8; 1 Pet.4:11; 1 Pet. 5:11; Rev. 1:6; Rev. 1:18; Rev. 4:9,10; Rev. 10:6; Rev. 15:7 (concerning Jesus Christ).

Rev. 5:13 ''To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing, and honor, and glory and dominion forever and ever

Rev. 22:3,5 And the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it 5) and they shall reign forever and ever.

In all those verses, aionas ton aionon refers to things that will last forever and ever. In addition to aionas ton aionon refering to the eternal reign of God the Father and of Jesus Christ, the very same phrase--aionas ton aionon is used to speak of eternal torment and punishment in Rev 19:3 and Rev. 20:10

Now regarding Matt 25:46 which speaks of eternal punishment...

Matt 25:46 ''And these will go away into eternal punishment--EIS KOLASIN AIONION, but the righteous into eternal life--EIS ZOEN AIONION. This verse shows the contrast between the life of the righteous and the punishment of the accursed. The righteous go into eternal life and therefore the accursed go into eternal punishment.

And finally...John 3:36 shows the same contrast. ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.''

Those who say this is not eternal are ignoring the contrast and the context of the verse.

Eternal means eternal.


Now, you can either face reality, or you can continue on in denial.