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Well given Church attendance is half of what it was in the 60s in the U.S. and in many parts of Europe it is under 10% and Evangelical Christianity has made deep in roads into Hispanic and Latino communities throughout the Third World as well as in the United States speaks volumes.
Michael Voris on why young Latinos are leaving the Catholic Church in such large numbers:
Well Ted, that's the fruits of Vatican Two for you.
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The reason so many are leaving the Catholic faith is the lack of and turning back the reforms of Vatican II, you seem to have gotten it backwards which really does not surprise me.
The reason so many are leaving the Catholic faith is the lack of and turning back the reforms of Vatican II, you seem to have gotten it backwards which really does not surprise me.
One can only hope -- but I continue to pray for the restoration.
I'll take a much smaller church that is truly CATHOLIC any day over an overflowing playpen filled with the happy clappy circus of the Novus Ordo.
Who in their right mind would take their children to an organization that habitually and repeatedly protects the pedophile priests that are systemic within the church, transcending all levels of control, top to bottom.
Locally a music minister was arrested for pedophilia, and the priest then goes to the home of the music minister and attempts to delete kiddy porn off the pedophiles computer. Throughout the entire hierarchy it's cover up after cover up are constantly being exposed.
And the pope, also likely guilty of cover ups in the past, goes off on some stupid tangent about opposing condoms to prevent AIDS in Africa.
The reason so many are leaving the Catholic faith is the lack of and turning back the reforms of Vatican II, you seem to have gotten it backwards which really does not surprise me.
If a lack of reform was the issue declines should have been noticeable from 1903 (Loisy, conservatism of Pope Pius X, Old Catholic continued rejection of Papal Infallibility, etc) to 1960 but I don't think you showed that.
I don't think there's much real evidence that Catholics as a whole really want what you want. They may not want what I want either, but I'm not necessarily arguing they do. Although I think the world's Catholics are probably closer to me than you, but I admit I'd need to know more about you to judge. (Internationally I think I could show that the world's Catholics wouldn't want women priests, same-sex marriage, and rejection of Papal Supremacy however I don't know if you want those either.)
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Who in their right mind would take their children to an organization that habitually and repeatedly protects the pedophile priests that are systemic within the church, transcending all levels of control, top to bottom.
I have actually never been in one of the diocese that had a problem with this. I admit that's a bit remarkable in some ways, the most comprehensive site I saw on the matter said 75% of bishops dealt with some of this or sheltered pedophiles, but it's true from what I remember. Although we did have some priests hiring grown men for sex here, but I never knew a priest who even did that.
Anyway for believers, and I'm pretty sure ted would agree here, it's not simply an organization. It's not like going to the Elks Lodge or something. In the Mass we believe you join spiritually and physically, I hope I'm saying that right, with God. I know you don't believe in God, but I think even from an atheist perspective the idea of communing with an ultimate intelligence has some appeal or awe. Arthur C. Clarke and Fred Hoyle wrote about experiences communing with higher beings. Although they meant aliens, I work with what metaphor I can from the atheistic world.
Who in their right mind would take their children to an organization that habitually and repeatedly protects the pedophile priests that are systemic within the church, transcending all levels of control, top to bottom.
Locally a music minister was arrested for pedophilia, and the priest then goes to the home of the music minister and attempts to delete kiddy porn off the pedophiles computer. Throughout the entire hierarchy it's cover up after cover up are constantly being exposed.
And the pope, also likely guilty of cover ups in the past, goes off on some stupid tangent about opposing condoms to prevent AIDS in Africa.
As I have said before, fortunately my faith is not dependent on the personal sanctity of some of those (both clergy and laity) who CLAIM TO profess the same faith.
The corruption that exists within the world (and within the Catholic Church) is a reflection of the degree to which man continues to ignore the moral law as handed down by the Catholic Church.
So what? Heretics in the Church? You think you're pointing something out something new? A revelation? You know, come to think of it, your style of herecy has happened since Apostolic times, Ted. It's really quite boring. But I am ignorant, so what do I know. There's always someone who thinks they know it better. Kinda like you, Ted.
There is no need for any Catholics to live in ignorance, although they say ignorance is bliss.
But they also say that the mind is a terrible thing to waste, it is never to late for a person to start educating themselves.
Dr. Joseph F. O’Callaghan,
Professor Emeritus of Medieval History, Fordham University
The history of church councils, their relationships with popes,
and the effects they have had within the church.
One can only hope -- but I continue to pray for the restoration.
I'll take a much smaller church that is truly CATHOLIC any day over an overflowing playpen filled with the happy clappy circus of the Novus Ordo.
Then you are out of step with Church teaching on the authority of such councils.
How is the Novus Ordo as you state "overflowing playpen filled with the happy clappy circus"
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