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I see nothing has changed, this forum is the same cesspool of confusion with all the constant backstabbing, bickering and name calling that was so prevalent a few weeks ago
As someone that is unbiased I see the pendulum swinging both ways with the us versus them attitude...in my opinion neither side is gaining any points
This begins to address the issue somewhat
Many would rather deny their own senses, than come to their senses, as the beast nature in us insists upon having its own way.
"The voice of the sea casts its spell, holding the souls of men in its net."
Somebody say where god teaches him/her without the bible, in christianity. Where do you even get the name of jesus? From your own brains? Where have you gotten the information about jesus, just a feeling? Cheese box, friends, etc? How do you know he is all around you and is warm and loving? During a good dump? What you do, and we all know, is just take some bible, that you heard hither and yon, who knows where or when, the parts that fit your current world view, ideology, or that warms you up, then neglect what bothers you; probably the parts that are not understandable (because who wants to really know anything {I hope your doctors and accountants think like you do}, and then there is all the work in knowing something; how easy just to make it up like some novella out of your head). You took the name jesus from the bible, you took that he loves you from the bible, then why accept this stuff and not the rest? The bible is the bible and you must have a way of cutting and pasting, unless, of course, and this is probably the way, you just are thoughtless and have no method. These methodologies are a dime a dozen in christianity; a bunch of cobbled together nonsense and makes for a very ignorant bunch of christians.
Somebody say where god teaches him/her without the bible, in christianity. Where do you even get the name of jesus? From your own brains? Where have you gotten the information about jesus, just a feeling? Cheese box, friends, etc? How do you know he is all around you and is warm and loving? During a good dump? What you do, and we all know, is just take some bible, that you heard hither and yon, who knows where or when, the parts that fit your current world view, ideology, or that warms you up, then neglect what bothers you; probably the parts that are not understandable (because who wants to really know anything {I hope your doctors and accountants think like you do}, and then there is all the work in knowing something; how easy just to make it up like some novella out of your head). You took the name jesus from the bible, you took that he loves you from the bible, then why accept this stuff and not the rest? The bible is the bible and you must have a way of cutting and pasting, unless, of course, and this is probably the way, you just are thoughtless and have no method. These methodologies are a dime a dozen in christianity; a bunch of cobbled together nonsense and makes for a very ignorant bunch of christians.
I don't know of many Christians on these boards that want to throw scripture to the wind, allen. But Christendom as a whole does a pretty good job of cobbling things together from the Bible and making nonsense out of it. Hence, 33,000 different denominations and preterists, futurists, rapturists, Calvinists, Lutherans, followers of Augustine, Sunday worshipers, Saturday worshipers, and on and on and on.
Tradition.
May the Holy Spirit lead us to the truth~~~~~~~~~>>>>>>>Love, joy, peace......
You will not get truth from your brains and a little bit of bible stirred in, and telling me about numbers and such does not get me an answer for methodology. Of course they do not want to get rid of it and I don't believe I even hinted at that, so why are you telling me this?, the bible is only now the occasion for a resource to cobble, in the past? Sure. But, as soon as you start this process of cobbling you enter tradition as well. Do you think you are outside of it? No one here is smart enough to come up with something original, something that hasn't been thought up. Method please, or ignore my post as you have nothing to add except evasion for hiding into your ideology and attempting to appear wise.
You will not get truth from your brains and a little bit of bible stirred in, and telling me about numbers and such does not get me an answer for methodology..
This is true. You get the truth from the Holy Spirit.
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Originally Posted by allen antrim
Of course they do not want to get rid of it and I don't believe I even hinted at that, so why are you telling me this?, the bible is only now the occasion for a resource to cobble, in the past? Sure. But, as soon as you start this process of cobbling you enter tradition as well. Do you think you are outside of it? No one here is smart enough to come up with something original, something that hasn't been thought up. Method please, or ignore my post as you have nothing to add except evasion for hiding into your ideology and attempting to appear wise.
Hmmmm. I thought about accusing you of the same thing. You never truly have a debate with anybody here. You pop in and out with these lengthy posts which sound like some sort of mind-dump onto the threads and accuse who knows who of rather vauge things and then bow out.
Allen, your posts are very vauge and it would be nice if you would clarify who or what the " You took the name jesus from the bible, you took that he loves you from the bible, then why accept this stuff and not the rest? The bible is the bible and you must have a way of cutting and pasting, unless, of course, and this is probably the way, you just are thoughtless and have no method. These methodologies are a dime a dozen in christianity; a bunch of cobbled together nonsense and makes for a very ignorant bunch of christians" is talking about.
Tradition does exactly what your above statement points out. If it's methodologies worked and made sense, there would not have been 2000 years of utter confusion.
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Adversary is a principle that results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness within the human nature. And the Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role, whereas, an accuser (devil) is known for his unrighteous disposition. Thus, the principalities and powers of unholy messengers inculcated the doctrines of demons in the early views of men, falsely fostering and prospering them. Truth becomes known, when deception falls away, that of self-induced blindness. Christ denounced these doctrines and traditions of men within the Spirit of truth, as the ego driven desires are within men; resist them.
Satan is a fallen angel who rebelled against God and convinced one third of the angels to rebel with him.
Revelation 12:7 takes place during the middle of the Tribulation. 'And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, 8] and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9] And the great dragon was thrown down, and the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him,
Satan is the ruler of this world until Christ returns. Until then the world is under the cosmic system of Satan.
The world is Satan's domain: Job 1:7; 1 Peter 5:8.
Satan is the ruler of this world: John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11.
Satan is the prince of the power of the air: Eph 2:2.
Satan is the father of unbelievers: John 8:44
Satan influences rulers: 1 Chronicles 21:1-5
At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire where he will be tormented forever.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer, founder of Dallas Theological Seminary, wrote...
Next to the lie itself, the greatest delusion Satan imposes---reaching to all unsaved and to a large proportion of Christians---is the supposition that only such things as society considers evil could originate with the devil---if, indeed, there be any devil to originate anything. It is not the reason of man, but the revelation of God, which points out that governments, morals, education, art, commercialism, vast enterprises and organizations, and much of religious activity are included in the cosmos diabolicus. That is, the system which Satan has constructed includes all the good which he can incorporate into it and be consistent in the thing he aims to accomplish. A serious question arises whether the presence of gross evil in the world is due to Satan's intention to have it so, or whether it indicates Satan's inability to execute all he has designed. The probability is great that Satan's ambition has led him to undertake more than any creature could ever administer. Revelation declares that the whole cosmos-system must be annihilated--not its evil alone, but all that is in it, both good and bad. God will incorporate nothing of Satan's failure into that kingdom which He will set up in the earth.
Then accuse but explain why. I have given no theology here except pointing to the "bible method" indirectly, I just want to know how a cobble is done. Is that too hard to explain? How one takes and rejects, what criteria one uses?
So, I don't debate, but then you have given no method for me to deconstruct, just a bunch of groundless, contentless opinion.
The threads are free and I can participate as I see fit, if that bothers you, or if my style bothers you, why are you saying so in a post? Am I to just cave and leave,perhaps because I don't fit in (now that is traditional)? What is your point? What am I to understand from it? Explain instead of being vague. Most posts I can't comment on because of time and those that are back slapping or inane or uninteresting.
As far as my style; it suits me and I try for content. If any one here bothers to ever read some of the heavier theology one will find that my long posts, and these are short here, are rather short than some real thoughtful writings.
You are in a tradition and you use a method; if not, you don't think well enough to form ideas. In some fashion you may assume (I do not know you so this may be general) a direct teaching from the spirit and you can dump most of the bible. I was pointing that out and want to know how that is done. You may think you escape tradition by not having a method but you do-everyone is in a tradition and have cobbled one out for themselves. The fact of backslapping each other puts one in a group with formed ideas. You have a brain, I assume, therefore you are functioning with ideas, and those ideas must have some organization about them. So what is your tradition? And why do you not have confusion while smarter people than you are all confused, which means you have the truth?
Then accuse but explain why. I have given no theology here except pointing to the "bible method" indirectly, I just want to know how a cobble is done. Is that too hard to explain? How one takes and rejects, what criteria one uses?.
Holy Spirit.
Why does Christianity have so many denominations? Because when you mistranslate "hell" and "eternal" nobody is going to receive the truth. Partial truth, yes. Enough to give someone spiritual health, or salvation? That's debatable.
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The threads are free and I can participate as I see fit, if that bothers you, or if my style bothers you, why are you saying so in a post? Am I to just cave and leave,perhaps because I don't fit in (now that is traditional)? What is your point? What am I to understand from it? Explain instead of being vague. Most posts I can't comment on because of time and those that are back slapping or inane or uninteresting.
As far as my style; it suits me and I try for content. If any one here bothers to ever read some of the heavier theology one will find that my long posts, and these are short here, are rather short than some real thoughtful writings.
Maybe you should start a blog or a diary?
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Originally Posted by allen antrim
You are in a tradition and you use a method; if not, you don't think well enough to form ideas. In some fashion you may assume (I do not know you so this may be general) a direct teaching from the spirit and you can dump most of the bible. I was pointing that out and want to know how that is done. You may think you escape tradition by not having a method but you do-everyone is in a tradition and have cobbled one out for themselves. The fact of backslapping each other puts one in a group with formed ideas. You have a brain, I assume, therefore you are functioning with ideas, and those ideas must have some organization about them. So what is your tradition? And why do you not have confusion while smarter people than you are all confused, which means you have the truth?
Well, so far the Spirit has not let me down (when I'm listening). I know that something besides myself has brought me this far, and I am finally starting to trust it, although at one time it would have been easy to go back into the system where there are teachers and preachers who have all the answers. It's safer there, and there are people who nod and agree with you if you agree with them. It's all very safe. But I had to get out. Something just wasn't right. My soul was starting to grieve, heavily. It has been years of hardship and sadness, but in the end, I believe the Spirit has saved my children and my husband and has brought so much more peace into my life than if I had stayed and put on that serious face and stuck in the game. I never would have known agape love meant, and I most certainly would never have known what "love your enemies" means (and I'm still struggling with it). I'm a far different person than I would have been if I had stayed in the system and listened to the people who told me the "truth." I know this from the depths of my soul.
I do not believe the Spirit has a system, organized enough to be pointed out, at least. That is why we were told NOT to listen to man, but to the spirit. He will lead us into truth, not men who study theology and study all the right books. Although I am greatful that men in the past have taken the time to organize and translate the scriptures for us, I am also aware, from my studies, that most of the time these men were not doing these things for altruistic (selfless and pure) reasons and the preachers and teachers of today are blind followers of men who were anything but Godly and full of agape love.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade Adversary is a principle that results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness within the human nature. And the Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role, whereas, an accuser (devil) is known for his unrighteous disposition. Thus, the principalities and powers of unholy messengers inculcated the doctrines of demons in the early views of men, falsely fostering and prospering them. Truth becomes known, when deception falls away, that of self-induced blindness. Christ denounced these doctrines and traditions of men within the Spirit of truth, as the ego driven desires are within men; resist them.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Satan is a fallen angel who rebelled against God and convinced one third of the angels to rebel with him.
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You never truly have a debate with anybody here. You pop in and out with these lengthy posts which sound like some sort of mind-dump onto the threads and accuse who knows who of rather vauge things and then bow out.
