Jesus is Firstborn of EVERY CREATURE (Col.1:15) (lordship, Gospel, woman)
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It would be referring to the Christ. Sure Jesus is the Christ but the Christ preceeded "Jesus". For the Word was made Flesh, Jesus was who was known once He became Flesh.
See the Father actually did all the creation but He did it by command that came forth from His utterance. That command came forth from a Word. So the Word was first created in the creation of everything we know in our Kosmos (world). Words tell us of the character/nature of someone. And by learning/knowledge of those Words and letting those Words become our Words then it means we have put on that Spirit or Nature. Jesus said that the Words He spoke were Spirit and Life:
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Jesus was simply passing unto us through Words the very Word that He received which in turn we can pass unto others unto Life.
But the Spirit existed before the Word. The Word is just a vessel of the Spirit.
So when we read that He is the firstborn, then Christ is the Firstborn. And since Jesus nature is that of Christ then the Word is therefore the firstborn of EVERY Creature as a result.
Paul
Agreed! Some people say that God was in Christ in order to "new-Spirit" the Creation.
Adam 1 brought death to all.
Adam 2 brought life to all.
In this old culture the first born was blessed most of the time but not always ; for example Jacob was blessed as second son , King Solomon was not first born .... Jesus is the first born again for all who will believe and get born again will be saved in the new creation of Christ.......
Since the Bible states that "Jesus is Firstborn of EVERY CREATURE" (Col.1:15), here are some questions you should ask yourself:
What does Firsborn mean?
What responsibilities does the Firstborn have to every member of his extended family?
If you do a study through the Old Testament you will come to a greater understanding of why Christ did what He had to do to ransom and redeem all mankind. Otherwise you are just spinning your wheels and getting nowhere.
Look at Colossians 1:20 which is just 5 verses away from our verse 15. And take note of what He, as Firstborn did for every creature. By "ever creature" we are not talking about gnats or flys etc. but about rational beings such as humans.
What do you note He has done for all beings in the heavens and all being on the earth He is Firstborn of?
Now look at 1 Timothy 2:6 and note that He ransomed ALL. That is what a Firstborn is supposed to do and look at God's response to that ransoming in 1 Timothy 2:4.
Now look at Romans 5:18 and 19 and note what Christ's act of obedience has won for all mankind. He had to do this due to being Firstborn.
And finally look at Philippians 1:8-11 and what comes out of His going to the cross. Look at all the happy humans bowing their knee and acclaiming Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God.
Is this not wonderful news?
If He said every creature, then it meant EVERY creature...
Since the Bible states that "Jesus is Firstborn of EVERY CREATURE" (Col.1:15), here are some questions you should ask yourself:
What does Firsborn mean?
What responsibilities does the Firstborn have to every member of his extended family?
If you do a study through the Old Testament you will come to a greater understanding of why Christ did what He had to do to ransom and redeem all mankind. Otherwise you are just spinning your wheels and getting nowhere.
Look at Colossians 1:20 which is just 5 verses away from our verse 15. And take note of what He, as Firstborn did for every creature. By "ever creature" we are not talking about gnats or flys etc. but about rational beings such as humans.
What do you note He has done for all beings in the heavens and all being on the earth He is Firstborn of?
Now look at 1 Timothy 2:6 and note that He ransomed ALL. That is what a Firstborn is supposed to do and look at God's response to that ransoming in 1 Timothy 2:4.
Now look at Romans 5:18 and 19 and note what Christ's act of obedience has won for all mankind. He had to do this due to being Firstborn.
And finally look at Philippians 1:8-11 and what comes out of His going to the cross. Look at all the happy humans bowing their knee and acclaiming Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God.
Is this not wonderful news?
I did not see you quoting any OT passages out of context to support your position...
We don't just sit back and watch. No one will pay our bills for us. We have to do something to make our salvation worthwhile. Jesus didn't come here to do the job for us when He didn't commit any sins. How can someone who is sinless take on anothers sin when the sinners are the ones who sinned. It makes no sense to have a sinless person pay for something a sinner did. How can one person pay the debt of another. Would you have your best friend pay your mortgage when you are the one living in the house and who's name is on the loan? Nope. Same with Jesus. He will not pay your bills for you. He said we, meaning each individual, will pay to the last farthing. He did not say I will pay to the last farthing for your sins. He also said we reap what we sow. He did not say I will reap what you sow.
Look again and interpret the verses correctly. While I don't read the bible, I do understand what they are saying.
Simple. The culture of the religion that Christianity is based on, sacrificed the firstborn of every creature including humans. That is why Christians like the sacrifice of God's firstborn also.
Exodus 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
Numbers 18:15 (King James Version)
Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh, which they bring unto the LORD, whether it be of men or beasts, shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
Praise God!
What do those verses have to do with Sacrifice? ...
He lived perfectly to show us that we, too, could live perfectly by doing the same thing that He did. Become Divine. Become perfect as our Father is perfect. In order to do that, we must take out the substance that causes us to sin and replace it with the thing that causes us not to sin. Jesus showed us how. We are to ask God for His substance (Divine Love) so that it can replace the substance that causes us to sin (natural love).
That may sound strange but we were created only with the potential of becoming Divine. No one is born Divine and we must seek out that which gives us a new heart (New birth, Divinity, At-Oneness).
A mere belief in Jesus is only that. A belief. Doing what He did is what transforms the soul from an image to the likeness. See the difference? Belief can only be of the mind yet doing is an action and is what gives the new heart.
Actually, no they didn't. Divine Love was not available until Jesus rebestowed it. He was the first one to show us who and what God is by His attributes. No other person was able to do that. A&E had the opportunity but they went against receiving it so it was withdrawn from us until Jesus. That is why He is the way and through Him all can become perfect as our Father is perfect. I assure you, there has been no one else in all the bible who was Divine before death, not even Elijah.
One can't "become" divine any more than onecan become eternal.
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