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Old 11-18-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There are no wicked people . . . just people who act and think wickedly sometimes . . . as we all do. You are producing soul with every thought and feeling you have every single day of your life. It accumulates . . . and it only changes through repentance in this life or through "refinement" after death and rebirth as Spirit.
The Bible has a lot to say about wicked people. They are also referred to as bad fish, goats, weeds, fruitless trees, blind people, clouds without water, bad figs, fools building upon sand and many, many other words.

Abraham asked God, after God had told him He was going to destroy Sodom, and everyone in it: "Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?"

The Bible says the that the wicked actively reject God. This means God is not in their lives and they live in willful and habitual sin.
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Old 11-18-2010, 02:20 PM
 
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...but it doesn't say that. And for good reason.
Yes it does say that, and for good reason. AS a Christian you really should begin to at least try and study the scriptures in their original languages.


Here is the Greek interlinear of that verse ...



Quote:
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kai
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AND

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EVERY

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THE

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one-LIVING
one-living


kai
kai
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Conj
AND

pisteuwn
pisteuOn
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vp Pres Act Nom Sg m
BELIEVING

eis
eis
G1519
Prep
INTO/for

eme
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pp 1 Acc Sg
ME

ou
ou
G3756
Part Neg
NOT

mh
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Part Neg
NO

apoqanh
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vs 2Aor Act 3 Sg
MAY-BE-FROM-DYING
may-be-dying

eis
eis
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Prep
INTO/for

ton
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THE

aiwna
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pisteueis
pisteueis
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YOU-ARE-BELIEVING

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this
So the literal translation of John 11:26 is ...

(YLT)
and every one who is living and believing in me shall not die(be dying) -- to(into/for) the age; believest thou this?'

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Old 11-18-2010, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Yes it does say that, and for good reason. AS a Christian you really should begin to at least try and study the scriptures in their original languages.


Here is the Greek interlinear of that verse ...



So the literal translation of John 11:26 is ...

(YLT)
and every one who is living and believing in me shall not die(be dying) -- to(into/for) the age; believest thou this?'
Yep. The things you find out when you start studying the original languages................

I think the biggest problem among traditional Christians is they think that since their teachers and preachers went to seminary (cemetery as some say )to learn all this stuff, they don't have to do any thinking or studying. Tradition can be a spiritual wasteland.

With that said, without love all of our knowledge is wasted no matter how you go about being a Christian.
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Old 11-18-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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Yep. The things you find out when you start studying the original languages................

I think the biggest problem among traditional Christians is they think that since their teachers and preachers went to seminary (cemetery as some say )to learn all this stuff, they don't have to do any thinking or studying. Tradition can be a spiritual wasteland.

With that said, without love all of our knowledge is wasted, either way.

The fact is, and it has been admitted to on this forum from various posters in various different threads, many Christians simply do not want the salvation of all people to be true. They believe that if everyone is saved, then their own salvation has no value.

Its the same idea that if everyone were rich, and there were no poor, then being rich would be worthless ...

It is the concept that the only way that i can have more, is if others have less ...

It is a corrupt and greedy spirit which is an Obstacle on their path to believe in the true gospel of the reconciliation of all things, the spirit of the Pharisees ...
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Old 11-18-2010, 04:40 PM
 
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The fact is, and it has been admitted to on this forum from various posters in various different threads, many Christians simply do not want the salvation of all people to be true. They believe that if everyone is saved, then their own salvation has no value.
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Personally I have never heard anyone say that.
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:04 PM
 
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Personally I have never heard anyone say that.
Just because you didn't read those posts, or becuase you may have forgotten them, doesn't mean they were never made.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:02 PM
 
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Just because you didn't read those posts, or becuase you may have forgotten them, doesn't mean they were never made.
The burden of proof lies with the accuser. maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

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Old 11-18-2010, 08:34 PM
 
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The fact is, and it has been admitted to on this forum from various posters in various different threads, many Christians simply do not want the salvation of all people to be true.
They believe that if everyone is saved, then their own salvation has no value.

Its the same idea that if everyone were rich, and there were no poor, then being rich would be worthless ...

It is the concept that the only way that i can have more, is if others have less ...

It is a corrupt and greedy spirit which is an Obstacle on their path to believe in the true gospel of the reconciliation of all things, the spirit of the Pharisees ...
Instituting the idea of rejection is predicated on their own acceptance.
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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The burden of proof lies with the accuser. maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit


totus mundus stultizat

You are not going to make me dig out old posts again, are you?
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Old 11-18-2010, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The burden of proof lies with the accuser. maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit
In the Latin maxim "semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit."

All that is factually necessary in the preponderance or weight of evidence is the probability of it being true in order to win a judgment.

Explicitly, that which was stated is within the doctrines of certain people; fully and clearly expressed or demonstrated by them, not merely that which is implied.
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