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Old 01-02-2011, 03:18 PM
 
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He desires we love each other, but knew many would not. He does not make anyone kill, steal and rape, because that is obviously not His desire.
I agree with everything you stated there. He desires we love each other. But He desired also that would wouldn't at this time and I agree He knew many wouldn't. I also agree that he doesn't make anyone kill, steal, rape etc.. But God is still responsible while not accountable for those things.

For God made man and man be absent of the Holy Spirit only knows to do what is Evil. God doesn't make man do those things. God hasn't given man the ability to NOT do those things - for without the Spirit of God man will not refrain from those things.

So God can fix it all by simply giving His Spirit to everyone. Which He will eventually do.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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I agree with everything you stated there. He desires we love each other. But He desired also that would wouldn't at this time and I agree He knew many wouldn't. I also agree that he doesn't make anyone kill, steal, rape etc.. But God is still responsible while not accountable for those things.
So He desires us to love our neighbor, but then again, He does not desire us to love our neighbor. Okey, dokey.

Perhaps today you will love your neighbor, and tomorror you'll knock his teeth out. Either way you can say it was God's desire. It is called "the licence to sin".
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:28 PM
 
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So He desires us to love our neighbor, but then again, He does not desire us to love our neighbor. Okey, dokey.
He desires us to love our neighbor but brings about His desire on His own terms. So if not everyone is loving their neighbor right now doesn't mean He doesn't desire it. But if we don't desire it right now then He must have desired it to be that way. Nothing in scripture can disprove this.

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Perhaps today you will love your neighbor, and tomorror you'll knock his teeth out. Either way you can say it was God's desire.
perhaps. But it would all be according to God's plan.
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Old 01-02-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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If God always gets His desire, then we must conclude that He desires that only 00.1% of the population see the 'truth' of UR. I assume only that percentage believe in it.
What people today do not seem to realize is that we ARE living in the "last days" as perceived by those who lived 2000+ years ago. Waiting for the "anti-Christ" is absurd . . . because the mainstream churches are already infested. The Jehovah of our ignorant ancestors IS "anti-Christ" (compare them objectively). URs are the few true believers in Christ fighting against the "anti-Christ" that has supplanted Jesus in the mainstream churches.
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Old 01-02-2011, 05:46 PM
 
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"Nurture" means to cultivate, work it in, hoe it and continually cultivate God's Word into your heart. Nurturing is a process.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--" Eph. 2:8.
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Old 01-02-2011, 05:49 PM
 
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"Nurture" means to cultivate, work it in, hoe it and continually cultivate God's Word into your heart. Nurturing is a process.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--" Eph. 2:8.
So your saying that the nurturing is not of ourselves but a gift from God. I agree.
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Old 01-02-2011, 06:01 PM
 
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"Nurture" means to cultivate, work it in, hoe it and continually cultivate God's Word into your heart. Nurturing is a process.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--" Eph. 2:8.
Growing in faith is indeed a process. 2 Peter 2:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen


If you want to sit back and take what God gives you and feel nothing is expected of you, then that is your business, but I am drawn the study more and more, and I call that spiritual growth, or growing in faith. But tell me, how do you grown in knowledge of God's word if you don't do anything about it? Does God inject the knowledge into your brain?
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Old 01-02-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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Growing in faith is indeed a process. 2 Peter 2:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen


If you want to sit back and take what God gives you and feel nothing is expected of you, then that is your business, but I am drawn the study more and more, and I call that spiritual growth, or growing in faith. But tell me, how do you grown in knowledge of God's word if you don't do anything about it? Does God inject the knowledge into your brain?
Here is a challenge for you take away all the knowledge of God that God has given us and tell us what you know about God and how your growing in that knowledge. You won't be able to do it despite all your efforts. He must give us the knowlege and it is his gift no matter how much effort we make to know it.
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Old 01-02-2011, 06:26 PM
 
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Here is a challenge for you take away all the knowledge of God that God has given us and tell us what you know about God and how your growing in that knowledge. You won't be able to do it despite all your efforts. He must give us the knowlege and it is his gift no matter how much effort we make to know it.
He has given us the Holy Spirit and the Bible, but if you reject the Spirit and won't read the Bible, then you will not grow in your faith. He gave us the tools and the desire to learn, but you still need to do your part.

Have you ever heard the term 'baby Christian"? A person who has been recently saved, may not know much about God, but the Spirit will encourage him/her to grow, and you grow by studying the word. Some people stay as baby Christians for decades, and never grow.

The Word of God is the Christian diet. Eat it, and you will grow. Paul said he will first feed baby Christians milk to nurture their faith, and when they are ready he will feed them meat.
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Old 01-02-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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He has given us the Holy Spirit and the Bible, but if you reject the Spirit and won't read the Bible, then you will not grow in your faith. He gave us the tools and the desire to learn, but you still need to do your part.

Have you ever heard the term 'baby Christian"? A person who has been recently saved, may not know much about God, but the Spirit will encourage him/her to grow, and you grow by studying the word. Some people stay as baby Christians for decades, and never grow.

The Word of God is the Christian diet. Eat it, and you will grow. Paul said he will first feed baby Christians milk to nurture their faith, and when they are ready he will feed them meat.
True, God has given us the Holy Spirit.
How does one go about rejecting the Holy Spirit? Did you mean he rejects the motivations of the Holy Spirit? I'm thinking we're on the same page but just want to be clear.

Not only eat it, as the devil has eaten it, but consume it. Digest it.
Eat, breathe and live His Word.

Oh, the Lord Jesus is too wonderful for me! We could go on and on about what He's done for us and what He's given us.

Have you ever stopped and looked around- just in your home? Everything, and I do mean everything belongs to Him. Without Him, saved or non-saved would have nothing.
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