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Everything that we know about God, heaven, hell, Jesus Christ, God's Kingdom ... and God's amazing love and grace is spelled-out in the Bible. Anything we choose to believe about those things, that is inconsistent with the Bible or says something else, is at best, conjecture.
I'm continually amazed by the number of folks on the Christian forum who isolate bits and pieces of scripture that seems to say what they want to hear .... while blatantly ignoring hundreds of passages that clearly say something else! Such is the case with the scripturally-baseless notion that non-believers who refuse to believe and trust in Jesus Christ during this lifetime ... will somehow magically be transported into God's eternal kingdom with believers, when they die!
jghorton, let me present your argument from a different perspective, and I humbly ask you to consider that the many who teach eternal hopelessness are deceived and the few who teach reconciliation for all may be on to something.
I'm continually amazed by the number of folks on the Christian forum who isolate bits and pieces of scripture that seems to say what they want to hear .... while blatantly ignoring hundreds of passages that clearly say something else! Such is the case with the scripturally-baseless notion that non-believers who refuse to believe and trust in Jesus Christ during this lifetime ... will be tortured/tormented forever in endless pain all the while Jesus stands by claiming to be the very definition of 'love' and commanding His followers to 'love'.
The scriptures quite clearly say God will have all men to be saved, Jesus is the savior of the world, God will reconcile all things, God will restore all things, God will be all in all, death will be defeated, and all will be made alive. Yet these things are ignored in favor of the idea of "endless torture".
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For one thing, Jesus clearly told Nicodemus: "Unless you are born again, you will NOT enter the Kingdom of heaven!" What is so hard to understand about that! God is not narrow-minded or bigoted (as so many call His teachings!) ... He has clearly and openly revealed His truth and then repeated it over and over and over again ... so that nobody has an excuse for not believing what it says!
It's almost unconscionable for someone to strip out obscure passages like Ezekial's 'dry bones' ... and build an entire eternal theology on that ... which contradicts the entire New Testament and Gospel of Christ! You may ridicule those who believe and trust the Bible as "fundies" or 'intolerant' --- but, I would much rather be found on the side of following God's Word too closely --- than, ignoring what it repeatedly says.
Its almost unconscionable for someone to strip out obscure symbolic passages like references to the Lake of fire in Revelations and build an entire doctrine around it, all the while ignoring that endless torture/torment chamber would be the most unloving thing imaginable, especially from a creator who is love itself.
God will NOT sin. Period. If you expect Him to lie for you, you are mistaken.
What are you talking about?!? No one said God lies or God sins.
You are the one who said a person's sin stops God. And I pointed out the absurdity of that statement, for God sent His son to take away all people's sin.
Its ironic because you are saying it would make God a liar if He took away all sin and saved the world.
Yet that is precisely what scripture says. He sent His son to save the world and to take away all sin. Yet this would be a "lie" if God actually did this? Unbelievable.
Gods words says love never fails, so I guess that must be sarcasm in the bible.
Love never fails, this is true but not the way many would like it to be. God loves everyone so much He is willing to give them what they choose, You reject Christ and God rejects you, nuff said.
What are you talking about?!? No one said God lies or God sins.
You are the one who said a person's sin stops God. And I pointed out the absurdity of that statement, for God sent His son to take away all people's sin.
Its ironic because you are saying it would make God a liar if He took away all sin and saved the world.
Yet that is precisely what scripture says. He sent His son to save the world and to take away all sin. Yet this would be a "lie" if God actually did this? Unbelievable.
No, I never said that a person's sin stops God. NEVER. And I never said it would make God a liar if he took away someone's sins. This is all your invention. You twisted my words and misrepresented them and even had your universlist friends jump up and down in agreement.
I said in plain language that God himself cannot sin. If He suddenly changed His own rules about salvation, it would make Him a liar. Pretty simple.
Love never fails, this is true but not the way many would like it to be. God loves everyone so much He is willing to give them what they choose, You reject Christ and God rejects you, nuff said.
Scripture says all I need to know about Love and why it never fails.
I have rejected God in the past, HE DID NOT REJECT ME, in fact his wrath remained upon me and he never gave up on me and now I accept him because that is what his love does.
We love God BECAUSE God loved us first.
There is absolutely nothing that you stated that even begins to match that scripture and truth.
Yes you did, Post #32, here is exactly what you said.
How in plain language are you not stating that the "something" that is stopping God from doing something is "Sin".
How are you not stating that Sin stops God? That IS what YOU wrote.
I think Finn might be saying if God is going to save all he would be sinning, because that would be an injustice. Is this right Finn ? I hope i'm wrong
I have never believed that the 'unbeliever' or 'unknowing nonbeliever' is without hope.
Those only ones I fear for, is the idiots who maliciously spread lies about God's Word.
Are you saying that ETer's are without hope?
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