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Unless one believes that they are born with their sexuality inborn and predetermined in the first place *which I dont (straight nor gay)*
Science says you're wrong, as do billions of people who say they never chose who they were attracted to, but feel free to live in fantasy world.
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, they would have no reason to believe that a rebirth would change anything since birth never coincided with sexual attraction of any kind in the first place. However for purposes of consistency, it would seem that those who believe they are born gay, and consider themselves Christians, would also consider the possibility that they could be "born" differently upon rebirth.
And what of those who tried for decades to be "born" differently and change their attractions, and God always says no?
Science says you're wrong, as do billions of people who say they never chose who they were attracted to, but feel free to live in fantasy world.
Science has said you're wrong, as do millions of people who say they chose who they are attracted to.. Im sure misery loves company, but Ill leave the delusions and fantasy world to you; you seem to be enjoying it.
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And what of those who tried for decades to be "born" differently and change their attractions, and God always says no?
Many people share testimonials that reveal that they already have changed through being saved. Since they think they were born with their sexuality ingrained, upon rebirth, the very fact that they are RE-born opens the possibility that their new birth could change their current sexual attractions. Why would birth be such a nonsequitor now? After all, according to them birth was what determined their sexuality, so obviously birth could redetermine their sexuality.
Science says you're wrong, as do billions of people who say they never chose who they were attracted to, but feel free to live in fantasy world.?
I've seen this comment, or similar comments, repeatedly implying that science/psychology has produced the golden study that has satisfied all curiousity over this issue. I've seen no such study. If anyone has responded with any verifiable non-theoretical, scientific evidence, I must have missed it.
I've seen studies/theories posted from, Dean Hamer, and many APA approved publications/Abstracts used as supposed proof of innate homosexuality, however when actually reviewed, its all just smoke and mirrors. Almost as if, by simply posting a laundry list of websites/APA Abstracts, this somehow is expected to impress and/or intimidate readers.
Even so, I guess it won't hurt to pose the question again. What do you mean when you say "Science says you're wrong" ?
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Originally Posted by Fiyero
And what of those who tried for decades to be "born" differently and change their attractions, and God always says no?
A close friend of mine, who recently moved to another state, practiced homosexuality for years. His same-sex attraction had an obvious connection to childhood predatory experiences. This is still one reason for same-sex attraction, though, perhaps, not the only one.
I'll have to take your word for it that homosexuals have tried for decades to change their attractions, (assuming you've taken a respectable poll), but, something that most Christians know is, that a life filled with continual indulgence into any type of habitual sin, drug addiction, promiscuity, adultery, pedophilia, prostitution, does not always experience instant results, once they've repented and accepted Jesus as savior. It's the love that they have for God, the belief that Jesus, and the Holy Spirit of God, now lives in them, that generates a changed mentality conducive to perserverence.
We also cannot discount the fact that life is not without its tests. One who turns from willful sin must possess the resolve to continue moving forward, even in times of great temptation. I know a number of men who had serious addictions to internet pornography, and I also know that some of those men were not consistent in abstaining from it, but even in the face of failure, they realized something else that most Christians know, and that is, that God will never leave them, and these same men, brush themselves off, repent, and try again, not under their own power, but by the power of the Spirit of God within them. None of these men would put God to the test by saying, ok I'll try this for a while, but, 'if it doesn't take' I'm returning to my old nature. Quiting is not an option for sincere Christians.
There is a scripture in I Corinthians 10:13, which says, 'No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation, he will also provide the way of escape, so that you may be able to endure it'.
God supplies the power, and we make the choices, in times of temptation. Few things in the lives of Christians are instant.
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LOL @ Brainwashed morons who can't think for themselves.
Have fun rotting in a box when you die, the rest of us are going to live life to the fullest and not worrying about impressing an invisible being and following a book written 2000+ years ago by human beings and not a 'god'.
LOL @ Brainwashed morons who can't think for themselves.
No one entirely thinks for themselves. Unless English isn't your first language you're thinking in it right now because that's what your parents and society wanted you to think in. If you obey the laws it's likely because you were raised to think that's better than violating them, regardless of whether you get caught.
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Have fun rotting in a box when you die, the rest of us are going to live life to the fullest.
By your estimation you'll be rotting in a box too. Religious people are generally just as happy as irreligious if not more so. Living a "full life" isn't necessarily about what crazy things you've done. It can be about the fulfillment you have in life and the joyful experiences. It may not be what "the world" says is so, but I feel my rather sheltered life is just as happy/full as most any irreligious sexually active bisexual. (Example chosen due to me having both attractions as mentioned)
I've seen this comment, or similar comments, repeatedly implying that science/psychology has produced the golden study that has satisfied all curiousity over this issue. I've seen no such study. If anyone has responded with any verifiable non-theoretical, scientific evidence, I must have missed it.
I've seen studies/theories posted from, Dean Hamer, and many APA approved publications/Abstracts used as supposed proof of innate homosexuality, however when actually reviewed, its all just smoke and mirrors. Almost as if, by simply posting a laundry list of websites/APA Abstracts, this somehow is expected to impress and/or intimidate readers.
Even so, I guess it won't hurt to pose the question again. What do you mean when you say "Science says you're wrong" ?
A close friend of mine, who recently moved to another state, practiced homosexuality for years. His same-sex attraction had an obvious connection to childhood predatory experiences. This is still one reason for same-sex attraction, though, perhaps, not the only one.
I'll have to take your word for it that homosexuals have tried for decades to change their attractions, (assuming you've taken a respectable poll), but, something that most Christians know is, that a life filled with continual indulgence into any type of habitual sin, drug addiction, promiscuity, adultery, pedophilia, prostitution, does not always experience instant results, once they've repented and accepted Jesus as savior. It's the love that they have for God, the belief that Jesus, and the Holy Spirit of God, now lives in them, that generates a changed mentality conducive to perserverence.
We also cannot discount the fact that life is not without its tests. One who turns from willful sin must possess the resolve to continue moving forward, even in times of great temptation. I know a number of men who had serious addictions to internet pornography, and I also know that some of those men were not consistent in abstaining from it, but even in the face of failure, they realized something else that most Christians know, and that is, that God will never leave them, and these same men, brush themselves off, repent, and try again, not under their own power, but by the power of the Spirit of God within them. None of these men would put God to the test by saying, ok I'll try this for a while, but, 'if it doesn't take' I'm returning to my old nature. Quiting is not an option for sincere Christians.
There is a scripture in I Corinthians 10:13, which says, 'No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation, he will also provide the way of escape, so that you may be able to endure it'.
God supplies the power, and we make the choices, in times of temptation. Few things in the lives of Christians are instant.
No one entirely thinks for themselves. Unless English isn't your first language you're thinking in it right now because that's what your parents and society wanted you to think in. If you obey the laws it's likely because you were raised to think that's better than violating them, regardless of whether you get caught.
By your estimation you'll be rotting in a box too. Religious people are generally just as happy as irreligious if not more so. Living a "full life" isn't necessarily about what crazy things you've done. It can be about the fulfillment you have in life and the joyful experiences...
Several good points, Thomas.
We are all brainwashed simply by learning from groups - especially our families & media... IMO, One of the most important aspects of Psychology (the study of the soul) & Spirituality is realizing & improving our incorrect beliefs. I think sin is rooted in incorrect thinking which can translate to feelings & incorrect actions. Love (our highest commandment/purpose) is based on understanding so correcting our thoughts & being open to learning is important.
One of my beliefs that might not be completely correct is the idea that people who have been through a lot are wiser. Sometimes that's the case, sometimes not. It depends on how well, people learn. In some aspects, I've had to make the same mistake over & over before I finally "got it."
As you mentioned, living a full life isn't necessarily about doing crazy things, but more about making the most of each experience... by taking the time to observe our belief patterns, & compassionately improving our thoughts so we live each day according to our long-term goals & which would be most fulfilling to us in the big picture.
Pleroo, you misunderstood. The US CDC did not ask why people engage in harmful sex, they simply gather data & report findings. The data they gathered & presented is that a large percentage of STD & AIDS cases were homosexuals - much more (percentage-wise) than heterosexuals. Let's use basic logic. Why would that be? Were homosexuals taking secretions with the disease in laboratory capsules, & injecting it into others? Of course not!
Sexually transmitted diseases are spread by having many partners, which research indicated was the case, when participants were asked.
Why they change partners more often is something to consider.
I haven't read any research indicating why homosexuals have so many more partners -it would be an interesting question to explore.
I would think that there is a natural desire for the type of intercourse that created us, not just helping each other masterbate.
Do you seriously think grown adults are not to be held accountable for their behavior?
Do you think that their behavior should instead be blamed on anyone stating anatomical & biological scientific facts???
Do you think that sexual desire defines who one is? What about child molesters, or rapists - were they born with that desire?
Wow, Pleroo, I expected more of you.
You are attributing "statistics" to the CDC that were actually from a non-CDC anti-gay, unrelated article that misrepresented "statistics" from actual studies. I have already shown exactly how your "statistics" about lesbians were distorted- you just ignored it.
It is a myth (mainly propagated by the Christian right) that gays and lesbians have more partners than heterosexuals. Some do, some don't.
The stats from the CDC about men who have had sex with men (*MSM) who have HIV, can not be used to generalise about all gay men. Most gay men do not have HIV.
(*MSM is also not confined to just gay men)
If I were to do a study on young male heterosexual "players" in their 20's from inner city pick-up bars, then use it generalize about the promiscuity of ALL heterosexuals (including your grandma), I would be distorting and misrepresenting studies to try to show that all heterosexuals are promiscuous.
If you want to show that you are honestly trying to find facts, please link directly to studies, not to some propaganda article which distorts the results of studies.
LOL @ Brainwashed morons who can't think for themselves.
Have fun rotting in a box when you die, the rest of us are going to live life to the fullest and not worrying about impressing an invisible being and following a book written 2000+ years ago by human beings and not a 'god'.
Ok, that's enough. H0tmess. It's true, but you must worry about these things.....it's imperative to salvation. The Bible was written by men, but it was God-inspired.You must have some inclination towards the Bible or else you wouldn't be here.
Pleroo,
I respect that you value loving others, as I do.
I think we interpret love differently.
I define love as striving for what is best for others.
When I find clearly harmful behavior that many are at risk of yet unaware of, I feel obligated to warn them... & believe in doing so, I am showing love.
Some refer to this as "tough love" - especially when it ticks people off, yet this info is to help them make healthy decisions.
I believe that denying truth that leads to harm, just to help others feel good about indulging in risky behavior, is NOT loving.
I realize not all homosexuals engage in anal sex or foreplay... but by the meaning of the term, it is implied that they want to.
Risks of both heterosexual & homosexual anal sex has been addressed.
Yet once again, I'll explain medical advice regarding anal sex applicable to all -heterosexual or homosexual... we all have anuses!
Anal intercourse causes
-hemorrhoids,
-anal fissures,
-anorectal trauma,
-retained foreign bodies, and
-creates high risk for anal cancer.
Also...Regarding lesbians' statistics of STDs...
*In 1996, a London clinic worker reported, 25% of its lesbian clients had had sex with a man in the last six months.
*An Australian study found that 93 % of lesbians reported having had sex with men, and lesbians were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners.
*(US CDC): most lesbians (53%–99%) have had sex with men, and many (21%–30%) continue to do so; they may acquire viral STIs from men and subsequently transmit them to female partners
*Lesbians are also at higher risk for STDs and other health problems than heterosexuals. (Gay and Lesbian Medical Association Press Release July 17, 2002)
There you go again, quoting those discredited distorted statistics despite the fact that I already showed you in detail how that article you are citing was being willfully dishonest.
Clearly you are not capable of honest research when it comes to homosexuality. So why would any gay person believe you have any sort of "love" for them.
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Well, put, Pennsylvanian!
