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Your still evading the question, is it a homosexual act? yes or no
Let me clarify. If the individual involved in your hypothetical 'identifies as female', and has engaged in sexual activity with a male, it is not a homosexual act. The act is being performed by a female who happens to have the wrong genitalia, which is the result of a premature surgical decision. I can't put this in simpler terms than that. A subsequent sex change would, understandably, be warranted. However, if the individual identifies as male, and continues to be sexually active with other males, the individual is committing a homosexual act.
However, the individual who she chose to be sexually active with, is more than likely homosexual, unless the hermaphrodite's natural feminine features and behavior greatly outweighed any noticeable masculinity, making her male genitalia the only distinguishable feature, meaning, that 'most who know her' would concur' (parents, psychiatrists, medical professionals), that she is a woman in every respect, except for the external genitalia. I do find it very interesting, however, that the hermaphrodite in your hypothetical has chosen to become sexually active with a homosexual.
I'm not sure why we are exploring this hypothetical to this degree. Perhaps you fancy a good riddle, but I believe I have entertained your scenario, and have thoroughly addressed it from every angle.
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Let me clarify. If the individual involved in your hypothetical 'identifies as female', and has engaged in sexual activity with a male, it is not a homosexual act. The act is being performed by a female who happens to have the wrong genitalia, which is the result of a premature surgical decision. I can't put this in simpler terms than that. A subsequent sex change would, understandably, be warranted. However, if the individual identifies as male, and continues to be sexually active with other males, the individual is committing a homosexual act.
However, the individual who she chose to be sexually active with, is more than likely homosexual, unless the hermaphrodite's natural feminine features and behavior greatly outweighed any noticeable masculinity, making her male genitalia the only distinguishable feature, meaning, that 'most who know her' would concur' (parents, psychiatrists, medical professionals), that she is a woman in every respect, except for the external genitalia. I do find it very interesting, however, that the hermaphrodite in your hypothetical has chosen to become sexually active with a homosexual.
I'm not sure why we are exploring this hypothetical to this degree. Perhaps you fancy a good riddle, but I believe I have entertained your scenario, and have thoroughly addressed it from every angle.
That is what I thought you would say. Playing God by judging another individual.
Nice! Shows your mind is in the gutter. However if you want to know the reason a straight guy would explore this topic it is because of guys/gals like you who point out everyone else’s sin, judging others when you have need to judge yourself. Love gathers Hate disperses Try love once in awhile Jesus loved the unlovely and we are to do the same.
I find it odd (well not really) that on a christian forum we find so much judgment of anothers sin when everyone else's life is rife with their own sins.
Have ye not learned yet the love covers a multitude of sin?
P.S. sad that you hint that homosexuals cannot be christians.
When you pull the beam out of your own eye then and only then will you be able to clearly see to get ride of the mote in anothers eye.
Pneuma,
I agree that it's hypocritical to condemn another when we are all just as guilty of mistakes.
I also LOVE that scripture about LOVE! "Love covereth a multitude of sins."
LOVE is striving for what is best.
Love is not letting your child eat candy every day for breakfast, even though they want to.
Love is not supporting homosexual practices that statistically prove to be harmful, even when they are claiming they can't help themselves.
Love is based on understanding... The more we understand & pay attention to, the better we love.
If I take a nice sports car out to the middle of the African desert to give to someone starving, I may have thought it was best & loving, but without understanding they really need food & there are no gas stations for hundreds of miles, it wasn't best.
If a gay guy loves another gay guy - but ignore health risks of anal sex & indulge anyway, causing health problems, is that really love?
If a lesbian loves a woman, but sleeps around (as statistically most lesbians do have sex with men) & gives her lover an STD - is that love?
Who is trying to trick or trap God? You simply cannot answer the scenerio so you judge without knowledge. You simply do not know what homosexuality is, yes you qoute scriptures but you do not know what those scriptures are saying.
How more bluntly does one have to get ......you posed a judgemental question when you asked: is it a homosexual act? yes or no.
Then to whine about "Playing God by judging another individual." simply because you don't like the answer.... well too bad.
Explain how a "no" answer is any less Playing God by judging another individual."
Then you can tell us how comments like:
Nice! Shows your mind is in the gutter
guys/gals like you who point out everyone else’s sin, judging others when you have need to judge yourself.
don't quailify as "Playing God by judging another individual."
Pneuma,
I agree that it's hypocritical to condemn another when we are all just as guilty of mistakes.
I also LOVE that scripture about LOVE! "Love covereth a multitude of sins."
LOVE is striving for what is best.
Love is not letting your child eat candy every day for breakfast, even though they want to.
Love is not supporting homosexual practices that statistically prove to be harmful, even when they are claiming they can't help themselves.
Love is based on understanding... The more we understand & pay attention to, the better we love.
If I take a nice sports car out to the middle of the African desert to give to someone starving, I may have thought it was best & loving, but without understanding they really need food & there are no gas stations for hundreds of miles, it wasn't best.
If a gay guy loves another gay guy - but ignore health risks of anal sex & indulge anyway, causing health problems, is that really love?
If a lesbian loves a woman, but sleeps around (as statistically most lesbians do have sex with men) & gives her lover an STD - is that love?
Then comes the spiritual aspect .... is it "love" to go against what God's says is an result of a person's evilness?
That is what I thought you would say. Playing God by judging another individual.
Nice! Shows your mind is in the gutter. However if you want to know the reason a straight guy would explore this topic it is because of guys/gals like you who point out everyone else’s sin, judging others when you have need to judge yourself. Love gathers Hate disperses Try love once in awhile Jesus loved the unlovely and we are to do the same.
Let me make sure I understand this. You've attempted to set me, and others, up, by continually pressing a clearly unrelated issue, until you received a response that suited your strange need to judge those who, in your opinion, seemed to have less love than yourself ? How loving.
Let me explain something about hypotheticals. They are imaginary situations, or scenarios, seeking responses which pertain to no 'actual' individuals, therefore, no one was harmed by the answers I provided, and therefore no one was actually judged. This type of goading reminds me of the pharisitical attitudes which motivated them to repeatedly question Jesus Christ, about matters of the law, in the hope of catching him in an error. Had they been able to do this, they would perhaps have then stated ' Aha', and proceeded to correct him, as you have attempted to do with me.
You also conveniently failed to mention that I distinguished my responses, indicating that one was a scientific conclusion based on the facts at hand, and the other, was my own personal response, should I ever encounter such a situation, and in that personal response I said, very plainly, that a considerable amount of prayer, and spiritual guidance, would be needed, which was then followed by my comment stating, that God is faithful, that he would provide wisdom for all parties involved. But you've apparently selected what you believed would most impress readers, and would best satisfy your desire to become the accuser.
If you would like to discuss homosexuality or how it parellels the hermaphrodites condition, we can continue. If not, thank you for your posts, and you can rest assured I'm not offended by your accusations.
Let me make sure I understand this. You've attempted to set me, and others, up, by continually pressing a clearly unrelated issue, until you received a response that suited your strange need to judge those who, in your opinion, seemed to have less love than yourself ? How loving.
Let me explain something about hypotheticals. They are imaginary situations, or scenarios, seeking responses which pertain to no 'actual' individuals, therefore, no one was harmed by the answers I provided, and therefore no one was actually judged. This type of goading reminds me of the pharisitical attitudes which motivated them to repeatedly question Jesus Christ, about matters of the law, in the hope of catching him in an error. Had they been able to do this, they would perhaps have then stated ' Aha', and proceeded to correct him, as you have attempted to do with me.
You also conveniently failed to mention that I distinguished my responses, indicating that one was a scientific conclusion based on the facts at hand, and the other, was my own personal response, should I ever encounter such a situation, and in that personal response I said, very plainly, that a considerable amount of prayer, and spiritual guidance, would be needed, which was then followed by my comment stating, that God is faithful, that he would provide wisdom for all parties involved. But you've apparently selected what you believed would most impress readers, and would best satisfy your desire to become the accuser.
If you would like to discuss homosexuality or how it parellels the hermaphrodites condition, we can continue. If not, thank you for your posts, and you can rest assured I'm not offended by your accusations.
Yes I used a hypothetical scenerio, but to say something like that has never happened is being a bit nieve.
And I pressed the issue to get a response of how you look at it, you kept going in circles and did not answer the question. That is why I asked for a yes or no response.
And it was not just your answer of yes that lead me to say what i did it was your snide remarks towards me in your replies.
Hinting that I watch porn because I used the phrase boy on boy and girl on girl (which actually says more about you then myself that you no where that term comes from LOL)and then hinting that I must have homosexual tendencies because I was defending them.
So it was you judgement of them as well as myself that I said what I did.
Those who judge by the appearance of things are victims of their own desires.
Having a penis does not necessarily make you a man, for without any genitalia, what would you be; male or female?
In other words, is it the external or internal (built-in attributes) that qualifies one as being male and/or female?
Those who judge by the appearance of things are victims of their own desires. Having a penis does not necessarily make you a man, for without any genitalia, what would you be; male or female? In other words, is it the external or internal (built-in attributes) that qualifies one as being male and/or female?
And what quailifies as sin begins from the internal ... the heart.
" For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander." Homosexuality is one of many sexually immoral sins.
As to the physical nature of this, that was also the point I was making ...it is totally impossible to be so (in effect sexless) for the medical community to not recognize " internal (built-in attributes) that qualifies one as being male and/or female"
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"Love covereth a multitude of sins."
