The Final ET/UR Showdown (paradise, priest, prophecies, Old Testament)
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From the dictionary; eonian - continuing forever or indefinitely; "the ageless themes of love and revenge"; "eternal truths"; "life everlasting"; "hell's perpetual fires"; "the unending bliss of heaven"ageless, eternal, everlasting, perpetual, unceasing, unending, aeonian lasting, permanent - continuing or enduring without marked change in status or condition or place; "permanent secretary to the president"; "permanent address"; "literature of permanent value"
From the dictionary; eonian - continuing forever or indefinitely; "the ageless themes of love and revenge"; "eternal truths"; "life everlasting"; "hell's perpetual fires"; "the unending bliss of heaven"ageless, eternal, everlasting, perpetual, unceasing, unending, aeonian lasting, permanent - continuing or enduring without marked change in status or condition or place; "permanent secretary to the president"; "permanent address"; "literature of permanent value"
So it's back to my Greek scholar versus yours.
That is why IMO the ET/UR debate will never be resolved.
AIÓN -- AIÓNIOS, TRANSLATED Everlasting -- Eternal IN THE HOLY BIBLE, SHOWN TO DENOTE LIMITED DURATION.
The work of eternal Life is now; JN 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, It is finished: and He bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
The work of bringing in eternal life to us is now, not in the future, nor will it change upon death for anyone. You either have it now and at the time of physical death or you will never have it. It is written in the Proverbs, "As the tree falls, so shall it lay."
If you are dead to Christ at the time of physical death then you will die a second time which is the absence of all spiritual consciousness of goodness or as explained in the Word, The Water of Life. The rich man wanted a drink of this Water after he was dead but it was to late. One can either mock the finished work of Christ and think it will be later or he can get on board and preach that salvation is now with now promise of another chance, only God knows of such tomorrow's not you nor I.
"You fool" Jesus said to one man, "this very night your soul shall be required of you. "The context of all that is written testify s to what Eternal Life is.
Death does not terminate God's intention to save all
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Originally Posted by garya123
The work of eternal Life now; JN 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, It is finished: and He bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
The work of bringing in eternal life to us is now, not in the future, nor will it change upon death for anyone. You either have it now and at the time of physical death or you will never have it. It is written in the Proverbs, "As the tree falls, so shall it lay."
If you are dead to Christ at the time of physical death then you will die a second time which is the absence of all spiritual consciousness of goodness or as explained in the Word, The Water of Life. The rich man wanted a drink of this Water after he was dead but it was to late. One can either mock the finished work of Christ and think it will be later or he can get on board and preach that salvation is now with now promise of another chance, only God knows of such tomorrow's not you nor I.
"You fool" Jesus said to one man, "this very night your soul shall be required of you. "The context of all that is written testify s to what Eternal Life is.
"God will have all men to be saved" 1Tim. 2:4
The idea that one can find salvation only during this life time is an unscriptural myth. Sooner or later the same God Who fixed the great gulf will remove it.
After death comes the judgment, yes, but that judgment will result in kolasis aionion which means age-during corrective chastisement for those who need it.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
Kolasis aionion doesn't save. Only Jesus saves. But it will condition the rebellious sinner to sooner or later reach out for the salvation that Jesus has provided by having them temporarily experience the consequences of their rebellion.
Truth does not have different points of view...New age teaching does...It is a view that helps to make you mentally healthy, it is not necessarily the Truth...Red is Red...Black is Black...You have made a god in your own image that is more tolerable to you...
Truth does not have different points of view...New age teaching does...It is a view that helps to make you mentally healthy, it is not necessarily the Truth...Red is Red...Black is Black...You have made a god in your own image that is more tolerable to you...
Introduction to Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years
The author, J.W. Hanson wrote “The purpose of this book is to present the evidence of the prevalence in the early centuries of the Christian church, of the doctrine of the final holiness of all mankind. The author believes that the following pages show that Universal Restitution was the faith of the early Christians for at least the First Five Hundred Years of the Christian era. He has aimed to present irrefragable proofs that the doctrine of Universal Salvation was the prevalent sentiment of the primitive Christian church.
The salient statements and facts in all which will be found in these pages show that the most and ablest of the early fathers found the deliverance of all mankind from sin and sorrow specifically revealed in the Christian Scriptures.”
And they were reading the Bible in its original language!
Truth does not have different points of view...New age teaching does...It is a view that helps to make you mentally healthy, it is not necessarily the Truth...Red is Red...Black is Black...You have made a god in your own image that is more tolerable to you...
Rodger has "made" nothing ... He worships the one true God and he works hard in the fields to do the will of God and spread the good news about how God is the savior of the world and is, in Christ, reconciling everything to himself again as the scriptures clearly teach.
The truth of Christian Universalism, what was once known as the doctrine of "apokatastasis" was taught and believed by the majority of Christians during the first 500 years of the Common Era. Christian Universalism is the original and true gospel delivered by Christ to the disciples and also the same gospel of Paul the apostle who wrote most of the new testament; the gospel that teaches the complete victory of Christ over sin and death in the lives of all people and throughout the entire creation. It is the gospel we are commanded to teach, which is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, and who is in fact the savior of all people, especially of those who are now believing.
What you believe however, though rooted in ancient pagan religions and brought into Christianity and made orthodox tradition some 500 years after the life and death and resurrection of Christ, is based on the teaching so of Jean Calvin, the spiritual terrorist and criminal who was guilty of various crimes against humanity and who himself was responsible for the countless deaths and torturing of innocents in the name of his false religion of everlasting hell and the demon spirit he claimed to be God who created most of humanity for the sole purpose of torturing the endlessly throughout eternity just to prove to his creation how tough he is and for his own vain glory ...
You worship the false God of your own carnal understanding, who is the image of ultimate spiritual violence and unjust condemnation. You are worshiping Satan and you cant even recognize it ...
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 09-12-2011 at 04:54 PM..
The idea that one can find salvation only during this life time is an unscriptural myth. Sooner or later the same God Who fixed the great gulf will remove it.
After death comes the judgment, yes, but that judgment will result in kolasis aionion which means age-during corrective chastisement for those who need it.
Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
Kolasis aionion doesn't save. Only Jesus saves. But it will condition the rebellious sinner to sooner or later reach out for the salvation that Jesus has provided by having them temporarily experience the consequences of their rebellion.
He desires that no one steals or murders but they do. You handle the Word To the subverting of yourself and worst of all to others.
Just like Saul of Tarsus, and Lydia, and Nubuchadnezzar
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Originally Posted by garya123
He desires that no one steals or murders but they do. You handle the Word To the subverting of yourselve and worst of all others.
Sooner or later all theives and murders will have their hearts changed by the grace of God.
All of us are thieves and murderers or other types of sinners until God lays hold on us by His saving grace. And we know that He will eventually do that for everyone because "God will have all men to be saved."
Just like Saul of Tarsus, and Lydia, and Nubuchadnezzar, God, sooner or later, will successfully change the heart of every sinner.
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Indeed.
So it's back to my Greek scholar versus yours
Death does not terminate God's intention to save all
How about Old Age teaching?
