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No, that is what He said to a certain rich man and no doubt to all that might need to do but only if money has become their God. Gods' pathway is different for all. That is why Jesus said call no man Teacher/Rabbi because only Christ can teach each individual the pathway suited for them. Too many try to play God and give instruction that is not of His Spirit. Only God can give such instruction.
Perhaps not the point you were making but I thought it an opportune time to make these comments.
I'm sure the kings and popes of yore thought the same.
OK so you deny the validity of Jesus' command. Funny how literalists will use literal meaning to justify other positions....
Add to my side the arguments found in James. Not one but TWO rants against the rich.
Then there were the money changers, who were nothing more that business people providing a necessary service at market prices to pilgrims who were required to make the offing in the proper currency. So what, from that, can we determine about Jesus' assessment of free market capitalism and the money center banks of today.
Sorry, but sauce for the goose is indeed sauce for the gander.
I'm sure the kings and popes of yore thought the same.
OK so you deny the validity of Jesus' command. Funny how literalists will use literal meaning to justify other positions....
Add to my side the arguments found in James. Not one but TWO rants against the rich.
Then there were the money changers, who were nothing more that business people providing a necessary service at market prices to pilgrims who were required to make the offing in the proper currency. So what, from that, can we determine about Jesus' assessment of free market capitalism and the money center banks of today.
Sorry, but sauce for the goose is indeed sauce for the gander.
I have not a clue why you answer me this way. If you think it is a command for everyone than I ask. Have you sold all to follow Jesus?
The ONE fold is still Israel. Unless of course you are one of those "dispesationalists". Good luck with that. Lost sheep are indeed "Lost" sheep. But once they are found they are Israel NOT gentiles. If you think ONE word of the Torah was "done away with" I guess you choose to dismiss Matthew 5:17-20. Heaven and Earth have NOT passed away so indeed IF you are HIS and you are Israel you WILL follow Torah. If you are of a man made religion of christianity then go right ahead and make it up as you go. You all seem to be doing just fine at it from what I can see. Cut and paste your way to what works for YOU.
You sure put a lot of words in my mouth. If you read my previous posts you will see what I believe. Or have you forgotten so soon. Israel are the children of faith, become one fold, whether Jew or Gentle. I certainly did not say the law was done away with for how else can God convince the world of sin or have a standard for what it is like to be in Christ. It seems you have a sterotype of what all Gentles believe.
There is absolutely NO sensibility to any of the following beliefs based on the reality of the culture and individuals involved in the ORIGINAL faith espoused by Messiah Yahushua.
* Anyone that really thinks that people coming from a Hebrew culture wrote and thought like Greeks is emphatically deluded
* If you believe that so much as ONE word was done away with in the Torah (the 1st 5 books of Moshe, prophets and Psalms) you never read a word Messiah Yahushua stated to those HE taught, nor those the Talmadim (apostles) taught
* If you believe that Yahushua is coming for some church, or people who have NOT grafted into Israel you are also sorely deluded and have no foundational truths embedded in your so called belief system. Yahushua stated it plainly as did many of the Talmadim, that the Bride is "Israel" and NOBODY else. IF you were or are a Gentile (by defintion re: Shaul/Paul lost undone and without YHVH) then you are NOT a part of the promise. Those that graft into Israel and become one with the natural branch ARE and are NO LONGER a Gentile, they leave their Gentile nature BEHIND. You accept the Torah of Moshe and DO HIS commandments (as HE asked you to). If you still have scales on and can't see this truth than I will be praying for you that you make it through the end times and have the scales removed in time to see this. Otherwise all you will try to do is argue that which can't be argued. HE didn't come to start a new religion, HE didn't die on a cross (pagan symbol of death) it was a stake, and HE came to provide the sacrifice required by Hebrew law in order to be forgiven, providing a PATH of Teshuvah (repentance) for those that WOULD do so in order to have the gift of salvation provided by this sacrifice.
Nearly EVERYTHING that YHVH and Yahushua stated was a "IF" statement, there is NO free ride unless to TAKE the opportunity to be HIS. If you think otherwise all you need do is re read Matthew and 1st John sometime. HE knows who are HIS and if you DON"T do HIS word you aren't. Pretty simple really. IT is all about ACTION, not what you think!!! Your fruits are the result of your ACTIONS. HE judges based on the fruit. NO action NO fruit. Nuff said
I would say that grace is forebearance, long suffering...Granting the opportunity to get it right...Instead of suffering the alternative under Old Covenant Law...
Your reply isn't really helpful... What does Galatians 3:19 mean? Is all of the Torah binding? If not, which parts are, and why?
Thanks,
Steph
You have to read the whole letter to find out what, who and why he was addressing. This little bit here gives an idea of what was going on that provoked this letter to the Galatians:
Gal 6:12 As many as desire to look well in the flesh, these compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.
Gal 6:13 For they themselves having been circumcised do not even keep the Law, but they desire you to be circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.
Gal 6:14 But may it never be for me to boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
I would say that it has to do with publicly doing something to avoid persecution which is akin to hiding your light under a basket...Or worse...Denouncing Yeshua and His work...If one looks into the Old Testament, one finds many examples of righteous men under the Law...If this is the case, then why did Yeshua come?...Yeshua said to listen to what the Pharasee said, just do not do as they teach...It was all external show and they thought that this pleased Yehovaw...It was not from the heart...As many in the OT loved Torah and followed it according to their heart not out of obligation...
Only in His days in the flesh did He come to the lost sheep of Israel but later under Peter, Paul and others the lost sheep of the gentles were grafted in.
JN 10:16 And other sheep [gentles] I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. We gentles are grafted in to the one fold.
Israel was the light of Yehovaw to the world...They became lost and Yeshua came to redeem them back...If He did not do this, there would be no chance for the Gentiles...Many preach that since the Jews rejected Yeshua, He gave Salvation to the Gentiles...This is not so, for the promise to Abraham states that he would be the father of many nations...Now does it state that these other sheep are Gentiles?...this is where undue speculation comes in...The Mormons use that verse to prove that Yeshua was speaking of the American Indians, or a lost tribe of Jews that ended up here in the Americas...It does not states this...It simply states 'Other Sheep' that are not of this fold...What fold is He speaking about?...He even instructed His disciples to only preach to the Jew when He sent them out...Salvation is of the Jews not of the Gentiles...Yeshua had to fix the Lighthouse first in order for it to be a beacon to the rest...
The ONE fold is still Israel. Unless of course you are one of those "dispesationalists". Good luck with that. Lost sheep are indeed "Lost" sheep. But once they are found they are Israel NOT gentiles. If you think ONE word of the Torah was "done away with" I guess you choose to dismiss Matthew 5:17-20. Heaven and Earth have NOT passed away so indeed IF you are HIS and you are Israel you WILL follow Torah. If you are of a man made religion of christianity then go right ahead and make it up as you go. You all seem to be doing just fine at it from what I can see. Cut and paste your way to what works for YOU.
In my opinion, your attitude is really rude. There are some of us here who are actually seeking the truth and the way you present your position is with an air of arrogance. That is a real turn off. I don't get the impression that you are trying to help anyone, but in any event, I read Matthew 5:17-19, and I don't understand why you think the entire Torah is binding, unless you don't believe Christ's death fulfilled the parts that are no longer required? So, I would say that some of the Torah has been fulfilled in Jesus' death.
In my opinion, your attitude is really rude. There are some of us here who are actually seeking the truth and the way you present your position is with an air of arrogance. That is a real turn off. I don't get the impression that you are trying to help anyone, but in any event, I read Matthew 5:17-19, and I don't understand why you think the entire Torah is binding, unless you don't believe Christ's death fulfilled the parts that are no longer required? So, I would say that some of the Torah has been fulfilled in Jesus' death.
Israel was the light of Yehovaw to the world...They became lost and Yeshua came to redeem them back...If He did not do this, there would be no chance for the Gentiles...Many preach that since the Jews rejected Yeshua, He gave Salvation to the Gentiles...This is not so, for the promise to Abraham states that he would be the father of many nations...Now does it state that these other sheep are Gentiles?...this is where undue speculation comes in...The Mormons use that verse to prove that Yeshua was speaking of the American Indians, or a lost tribe of Jews that ended up here in the Americas...It does not states this...It simply states 'Other Sheep' that are not of this fold...What fold is He speaking about?...He even instructed His disciples to only preach to the Jew when He sent them out...Salvation is of the Jews not of the Gentiles...Yeshua had to fix the Lighthouse first in order for it to be a beacon to the rest...
Yes, the other sheep are the Gentles. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide into all [what you need to know] truth. You call it speculation because that revelation has not come to you yet but for me it has. There are lots of things that only the Holy Spirit can fill in to understand Scripture properly. That is simply the way it is and everyone does not agree with what is revealed to me and they will not agree with you either when you discover some things that they have not as yet.
No need to push it on others after they disagree however, life is too short for that and only the Holy Spirit is the true teacher anyways because all are in a different place.
Apparently the truth hurts, and to those who are convicted by the truth it appears to be rude and arrogant (because it doesn't provide the warm and fuzzies christians love to spread about). There is NOTHING of the Torah that has been done away with. If you believe that I have a bridge for sale very cheap in NY. I have provided more than ample evidence through scripture of this, but you just like to cut and paste others from the NT which weren't even taught or around during the ministries of the Messiah. Once again HE taught from the scrolls of the Torah. There isn't anything HE taught that can't be traced back to the Tanakh, yet you love to refer to it as "The Old Testament". Classic Greco Roman thinking. I have nothing to add here obviously as the scales are in place. But rest assured there is NO Gentile present in the Commwealth of Israel. The old nature is left behind as they graft into the covenant with YHVH. Messiah is and was the "facilitator" but make NO mistake the source of it all is YHVH. Even Messiah said so, but yet you'd rather worship Messiah. Guess I'm done here. I'll leave all you Gentiles (I guess) to do your thing. it's not rude....it's just the facts as they are. Guess you "can't handle the truth".
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I have provided more than ample evidence through scripture of this, but you just like to cut and paste others from the NT which weren't even taught or around during the ministries of the Messiah. Once again HE taught from the scrolls of the Torah. There isn't anything HE taught that can't be traced back to the Tanakh, yet you love to refer to it as "The Old Testament". Classic Greco Roman thinking. I have nothing to add here obviously as the scales are in place. But rest assured there is NO Gentile present in the Commwealth of Israel. The old nature is left behind as they graft into the covenant with YHVH. Messiah is and was the "facilitator" but make NO mistake the source of it all is YHVH. Even Messiah said so, but yet you'd rather worship Messiah. Guess I'm done here. I'll leave all you Gentiles (I guess) to do your thing. it's not rude....it's just the facts as they are. Guess you "can't handle the truth".
