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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Ha! Not quite little elmer but those are good thoughts. Here is what they spoke about:
Luk 9:28-31 Now it occurred about eight days after these sayings, taking along Peter and John and
James also, that He ascended into the mountain to pray." (29) And it occurred, in His praying, to
the perception His face became different, and His vesture glittering white." (30) And lo! two men
conferred with Him, who were Moses and Elijah, (31) who, being seen in the glory, spoke of His
exodus, which He was about to be completing in Jerusalem."
Just as Moses experienced the exodus out of slavery in Egypt, Jesus was about to experience an exodus out of death into the promised land of God's rest.
Some versions say they spoke of His death or His decease or His outgoing or His departure but the Greek word "exodus" is used here and it is pretty apparent when used with Moses that that is the word that should be used to describe what Christ was about to experience since Moses experienced an exodus. Now why Elijah is seen in the vision with Moses I'm not sure unless both Moses and Elijah were both prophets who had mighty miracles and so were types of Christ? Or it could be that both Moses and Elijah were ill treated by their own people just as Christ was?
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well I have my own theory about this part..
with what you say I can see that happening also..
ok so one version says it like this..
Luk 9:28
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About eight days after this conversation, he took along Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray.
Luk 9:29
As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white.
Luk 9:30
Suddenly, two men were talking with him — Moses and Elijah.
Luk 9:31
They appeared in glory and were speaking of his departure, which he was about to accomplish in Jerusalem.
Luk 9:32
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Peter and those with him were in a deep sleep,[fn] and when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men who were standing with him.
Luk 9:33
As the two men were departing from him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it’s good for us to be here. Let us set up three shelters: one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah” — not knowing what he was saying.
Luk 9:34
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While he was saying this, a cloud appeared and overshadowed them. They became afraid as they entered the cloud.
Luk 9:35
Then a voice came from the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the Chosen One;[fn] listen to him! ”
Luk 9:36
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After the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone. They kept silent, and at that time told no one what they had seen.
so my question to the Lord ii/was at that time "How does God die" ? I mean how do you kill the tree of life? the author of the breath of life?
and we all know that God can not die. and we all know for sure that the Father had to turn his back to him as he became sin for us..
.. thus possibly maybe the Father remove the right arm from him there then. and why he had been sweating blood just before this .
so if the Right Arm of the Father is being removed and maybe being assisted by the two prophets .. when in the CLOUD ( sound familiar) the voice of God is heard saying " that is my son" . listen to his words" does it sound oddly familiar ? think Sinai.. .
then the Father's Right spiritual arm and authority over life and creation is then removed from the Son..
and so then you have to ask can the Son of man die then ?
I mean how do you kill the tree of lifeand the Father's arm ?
that Arm is the part of the Father.. can any part of Father go into hell with the son? I believe the resurrection would have taken place at that moment if the Fathers right arm entered into death at that moment of jesu death ... hell would have broke loose.. with the son at the moment of his death.. He could NOT stay there 3 days like Jonah( to fulfill that prophesy) with the Father's right arm of authroity still in him..
the three days might be thus proving he was fully man at his death.
so I think that the prophets were there to assist the removal of the Right Arm/ creator spirit/ Lawgiver / God's right arm .. and all his authority over death was taken as the son gave up his authority over his own life, thus " he laid it down".. ... that part of the Father that is the very creator of life... they took it from out of the son and returned it to the Father ..
But that is just my opinion..
and it i smy oppinion that the son died fully and only a man.
then I can not guess how it happened at the other end three days later.. .. how the right arm was returned to him in death.. but as I haver pointed out.. when The right arms return to himprobably at his calling.. .. raises him from the dead and the return of it emptied all of paradise/Abrahams bosom of all righteous ancients who were living/ Of life but were trapped in the entity we call "death" created at the fall. ..
a man of sorrow and grief ,
righteous? yes. purified ? yes..
a pure heart, yes.
a son of a righteous king ? yes.
but I believe he was just a man at his death..
But that is just my theory.. and what I understanding of him/ them >
as best I can put it together ... as he tries to answer my goofy questions . but that the answers can get way way above my pay grade and ability to fully comprehend the full implications of such doings.... but my theory/theology for now stands something like that ..
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