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Old 08-29-2012, 07:09 AM
 
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Only if it was Peter who wrote them. Do some research please.
Are you kidding? Peter's 2nd Epistle was not included just on a whim. Obviously, there was enough evidence he did indeed write it.

Face it. You've lost this argument. Paul's writings are Scripture.
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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Regardless of whether 2 Peter is in the canon or not Petrine authorship is by no means certain with many scholars disagreeing as to just who wrote it.

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Although 2 Peter internally purports to be a work of the apostle, most biblical scholars have concluded that Peter is not the author and consider the epistle pseudepigraphical.[3] Reasons for this include its linguistic differences from 1 Peter, its apparent use of Jude, possible allusions to 2nd-century gnosticism, encouragement in the wake of a delayed parousia, and weak external support.[4]
[3]: Brown, Raymond E., Introduction to the New Testament, Anchor Bible, 1997, ISBN 0-385-24767-2. p. 767 "the pseudonymity of II Pet is more certain than that of any other NT work."
[4]: Grant, Robert M. A Historical Introduction To The New Testament, chap. 14.

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As for Paul's writings, they may well be scripture but I don't look to folk who lived before the great scientific revelations to guide me in knowledge ABOUT ethical issues directly informed BY those scientific discoveries. Homosexuality turns up in every human generation is around the same percentile figures of 2-3%, EVERY HUMAN GENERATION. Most likely Homosexuality is partly genetic.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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The Bible is the word of God - so , yes.
And we know this how, exactly?
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:23 PM
 
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Regardless of whether 2 Peter is in the canon or not Petrine authorship is by no means certain with many scholars disagreeing as to just who wrote it.



[3]: Brown, Raymond E., Introduction to the New Testament, Anchor Bible, 1997, ISBN 0-385-24767-2. p. 767 "the pseudonymity of II Pet is more certain than that of any other NT work."
[4]: Grant, Robert M. A Historical Introduction To The New Testament, chap. 14.

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As for Paul's writings, they may well be scripture but I don't look to folk who lived before the great scientific revelations to guide me in knowledge ABOUT ethical issues directly informed BY those scientific discoveries. Homosexuality turns up in every human generation is around the same percentile figures of 2-3%, EVERY HUMAN GENERATION. Most likely Homosexuality is partly genetic.
If it's Scripture, it's from God, and is therefore always Truth.
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Old 08-29-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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And we know this how, exactly?
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, which is defined as such by faith, which comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God, which-

I'm still waiting for an answer as to why "Christian" churches can perform weddings for people who have been married before with no questions asked, and yet it's supposedly this that requires justification. After all, it's not like Jesus condemned remarriage in many cases and was mum on the subject of homosexuality, much less gay marriage. Why, that'd expose an embarrassing level of prejudice in modern-day "Christians"
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:05 PM
 
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Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, which is defined as such by faith, which comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God, which-

I'm still waiting for an answer as to why "Christian" churches can perform weddings for people who have been married before with no questions asked, and yet it's supposedly this that requires justification. After all, it's not like Jesus condemned remarriage in many cases and was mum on the subject of homosexuality, much less gay marriage. Why, that'd expose an embarrassing level of prejudice in modern-day "Christians"
The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9) and (2) abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15).

On the other hand, Jesus said marriage is man/woman.
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:31 PM
 
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The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9) and (2) abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15).
Yeah. Like I said, there's no justification for churches performing weddings for people who have divorced for reasons other than these. But that doesn't stop it from happening, and it doesn't get you people as agitated as gay marriage in the church, which was not explicitly forbidden by Jesus or anyone else in the bible for that matter.

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On the other hand, Jesus said marriage is man/woman.
Exclusively? Where?
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:38 PM
 
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Yeah. Like I said, there's no justification for churches performing weddings for people who have divorced for reasons other than these. But that doesn't stop it from happening, and it doesn't get you people as agitated as gay marriage in the church, which was not explicitly forbidden by Jesus or anyone else in the bible for that matter.



Exclusively? Where?
Matthew 19 should answer all of your questions.
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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Matthew 19 should answer all of your questions.
Nope. Not telling me anything I wasn't already aware of.

Once more, where does Jesus explicitly say that gays should not be allowed to marry? And what, if not prejudice, motivates such opposition to gay marriage and not a push for exceptions when it comes to the legal right to remarry?

Here's an interesting read for you, in the meantime:

Mastin Kipp: Why Jesus Loves LGBT People and Gay Marriage Doesn't Exist
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Old 08-29-2012, 08:51 PM
 
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Nope. Not telling me anything I wasn't already aware of.

Once more, where does Jesus explicitly say that gays should not be allowed to marry? And what, if not prejudice, motivates such opposition to gay marriage and not a push for exceptions when it comes to the legal right to remarry?

Here's an interesting read for you, in the meantime:

Mastin Kipp: Why Jesus Loves LGBT People and Gay Marriage Doesn't Exist
So, because it wasn't explicity denied, you think God's OK with it? Even though He defined marriage as man/woman? Interesting....
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