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it is fair, that is a correct statement. however, many will tell you that there is the sin of unbelief. Now that is a big one, Christ cannot cover that one. A person has no faith? that is not covered either!.... rubbish, what Christ accomplished covers all. It is so simple that people dont wanna believe it. We, Mankind, love to complicate things.
Is this fair to say? Christ died for sinners. So, if you are a sinner, Christ died for you.
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That's a nice thought. But more realistically speaking, Jesus died because he was viewed as an insurrectionist by the Romans. The penality for this was crucifixion.
Roman reasoning was this. The Emperor of Rome was the only king in that empire. If someone claimed to be king in their conquered territory, this would involve returning the rule to Israel, so that person was guilty of treason or insurrection and was executed . A number of messiah-candidates were put to death.
Earlier, in Rome Spartacus and his followers were also crucified for insurrection.
However, Jesus' followers didn't like the idea of Jesus their religious leader, being killed for that reason. Paul seems to have developed the theory of atonement for sin, and Jesus' execution was the atonement. Jesus followers readily accepted that explanation as many still do today.
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Is this fair to say? Christ died for sinners. So, if you are a sinner, Christ died for you.
Yes. He died for sinners. There is some discussion over whether or not Jesus died for ALL sinners though, or only for those that believe. Colossians 2:14 says that the sins of the believers were cancelled -- nailed to the cross. If you are not a believer, that means your sins were not cancelled. This would be the doctrine of Limited Atonement.
Yes. He died for sinners. There is some discussion over whether or not Jesus died for ALL sinners though, or only for those that believe.
Or maybe the issue is a little more multi-layered than that. The Bible says: "As in Adam, all die. Even so, in Christ, shall all be made alive." In the sense that no one is capable of resurrecting himself but that all will be resurrected, Christ did die for "all sinners." In the sense that all will be forgiven, we are told that in order to be saved we must repent of our sins and trust in Christ who suffered in our place.
Or maybe the issue is a little more multi-layered than that. The Bible says: "As in Adam, all die. Even so, in Christ, shall all be made alive." In the sense that no one is capable of resurrecting himself but that all will be resurrected, Christ did die for "all sinners." In the sense that all will be forgiven, we are told that in order to be saved we must repent of our sins and trust in Christ who suffered in our place.
But he didn't die for all sinners. Because not all sinners are saved.
But he didn't die for all sinners. Because not all sinners are saved.
Again, that depends on what you mean by "saved." If you mean "saved from the permanance of death," then He died to "save" all sinners, period. If you are using "saved" to mean "forgiven of our sins," then He died to "save" all repentant sinners who look to Him for redemption.
That's a nice thought. But more realistically speaking, Jesus died because he was viewed as an insurrectionist by the Romans. The penality for this was crucifixion.
Roman reasoning was this. The Emperor of Rome was the only king in that empire. If someone claimed to be king in their conquered territory, this would involve returning the rule to Israel, so that person was guilty of treason or insurrection and was executed . A number of messiah-candidates were put to death.
Earlier, in Rome Spartacus and his followers were also crucified for insurrection.
However, Jesus' followers didn't like the idea of Jesus their religious leader, being killed for that reason. Paul seems to have developed the theory of atonement for sin, and Jesus' execution was the atonement. Jesus followers readily accepted that explanation as many still do today.
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