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Old 05-26-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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Scriptures (Mark 3:29)

King James Version
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

God's word Version
But whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin."

International Standard
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, but is guilty of eternal sin."

New American Standard Version
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "--

Concordant Literal New Testament
"yet whoever should be blaspheming against the "holy spirit" is having no pardon for the eon, but is liable to the eonian (God) penalty for the sin."

The CLNT version contradicts all other versions so I would like to get to the bottom of this. From other versions we see Jesus talking about the Holy Spirit in capital letters whereas CLNT has the "holy spirit" in small letters. Is the CLNT version talking about THE "Holy Spirit" or something else?, if it is talking about THE "Holy Spirit" then why would a person be held accountable to God the Father for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, should not the person be held accountable to the Holy Spirit? Does this version imply that the Holy Spirit is not equal to God the Father? Does the CLNT not believe in the Trinity (co-equal, co-eternal)?

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Old 05-26-2009, 12:20 PM
 
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oV d an blasfhmhsh eiV to pneuma to agion ouk ecei afesin eiV ton aiwna all enocoV estin aiwniou krisews
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:10 PM
 
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Heck that's nothing. The King James calls Jesus a "thing"

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

If the holy spirit is a "person" and God is a "person" did Jesus have two Fathers?

He was begotten by holy spirit and is called "Son of God."
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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oV d an blasfhmhsh eiV to pneuma to agion ouk ecei afesin eiV ton aiwna all enocoV estin aiwniou krisews
Very good Birdy.

I will highlight in red the words "holy spirit" in your Greek text which they did not capitalize either:

oV d an blasfhmhsh eiV to pneuma to agion ouk ecei afesin eiV ton aiwna all enocoV estin aiwniou krisews
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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Heck that's nothing. The King James calls Jesus a "thing"

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

If the holy spirit is a "person" and God is a "person" did Jesus have two Fathers?

He was begotten by holy spirit and is called "Son of God."
I am not arguing. I am asking. Can you please answer

I don't read King James. I read New American
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:15 PM
 
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I am not arguing. I am asking. Can you please answer

I don't read King James. I read New American
I'm not arguing either. How does the New American translate Luke 1:35?
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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Scriptures (Mark 3:29)

King James Version
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

God's word Version
But whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin."

International Standard
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, but is guilty of eternal sin."

New American Standard Version
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "--

Concordant Literal New Testament
"yet whoever should be blaspheming against the "holy spirit" is having no pardon for the eon, but is liable to the eonian (God) penalty for the sin."

Does this version imply that the Holy Spirit is not equal to God the Father? Does the CLNT not believe in the Trinity (co-equal, co-eternal)?
Most likely so; of course this would coincide with the CLT, and those who ascribe to its false theology, of “for a period of time”.

This verse (Mark 3: 29) in context would make a good study.
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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oV d an blasfhmhsh eiV to pneuma to agion ouk ecei afesin eiV ton aiwna all enocoV estin aiwniou krisews

Amen. God bless.
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:17 PM
 
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I tried to say Amen, God bless, and it came out like that!!
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:18 PM
 
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Heck that's nothing. The King James calls Jesus a "thing"

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

If the holy spirit is a "person" and God is a "person" did Jesus have two Fathers?

He was begotten by holy spirit and is called "Son of God."

Luke 1:35 (New American Standard Bible) The translation I read but the KJV verse you pointed out does not cast doubt on the Trinity

35The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

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