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Old 04-06-2013, 03:28 AM
 
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First off, let me say I have not yet read and re-read every single post in this marvelous thread. I have learned a lot reading the thread, and I have done a bit of external research.

The interlinear, of which CLNT is one, are tools for academic research. They are not, nor do they claim to be "bibles" in the sense that you and I understand the word to mean. That is, they are not tools of faith, but rather tools of academic learning. They take a Greek word, and provide the literal translation of that word into English (or other languages depending) If a Greek word has several meanings, my understanding is that the interlinear will note the several meanings, but emphasize the one that makes sense in the context of the original.

Forgive me for being simplistic, but in some cases word for word translation is pretty simple. Count to ten. Colors of the rainbow.Generic words like tree, fish, animal, boat, etc. But then there are those pesky idioms. I dont know any Greek idiom, but you might imagine trying to translate terms like kick as*, kiss my as*, drop dead, in your hat, work my fingers to the bone, between a rock and a hard place, turn up the heat, and so many more. When one translates for meaning, one might translate "kick as*" as work your hardest or work as hard as you can.

I think you are letting yourself get lost in the differences between the CLNT and the religious translations of the bible. They are not the same, nor do they serve the same purpose.
trying to understand the Greek and Hebrew, especially the idioms, maes for a better understanding of the bible and unbiased...
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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Scriptures (Mark 3:29)

King James Version
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

God's word Version
But whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin."

International Standard
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, but is guilty of eternal sin."

New American Standard Version
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin "--

Concordant Literal New Testament
"yet whoever should be blaspheming against the "holy spirit" is having no pardon for the eon, but is liable to the eonian (God) penalty for the sin."

The CLNT version contradicts all other versions so I would like to get to the bottom of this. From other versions we see Jesus talking about the Holy Spirit in capital letters whereas CLNT has the "holy spirit" in small letters. Is the CLNT version talking about THE "Holy Spirit" or something else?, if it is talking about THE "Holy Spirit" then why would a person be held accountable to God the Father for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, should not the person be held accountable to the Holy Spirit? Does this version imply that the Holy Spirit is not equal to God the Father? Does the CLNT not believe in the Trinity (co-equal, co-eternal)?
Hi Fundamentalist, the Holy Spirit is not a separate person but rather is the PERSON of God the Father Himself. It is His BEING. This is why many don't quite understand. This is why you are adopted to the Father when you have His Spirit = The Holy Spirit. YOU have a spirit also - that spirit is what defines you as you. When your Spirit matches His then you will have His Spirit. Then yours and His will be the same, thus your spirits together bear witness together that you are the Son of God at that point.
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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Hi Fundamentalist, the Holy Spirit is not a separate person but rather is the PERSON of God the Father Himself. It is His BEING. This is why many don't quite understand. This is why you are adopted to the Father when you have His Spirit = The Holy Spirit. YOU have a spirit also - that spirit is what defines you as you. When your Spirit matches His then you will have His Spirit. Then yours and His will be the same, thus your spirits together bear witness together that you are the Son of God at that point.
And in the OT it is referred to as The Spirit of God and this is the same as The Holy Spirit...Because God is Holy and so is His Spirit...
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