Eternal punishement Christian versus eternal punishment Muslims (Moses, prophecies, recall)
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Like I keep saying, it really does come down to which translations you choose to rely on.
Did you notice how the NIV added to the word of God regarding the word anathema? (post 286)
Did you notice how even if the word eternal was there, you would have semanticized it like all other verses with the word eternal? (post 259) It's amazing what people can do to words who have their heads stuck in the sand. You would love Derrida's Of Grammatology. Read up.
Did you notice how even if the word eternal was there, you would have semanticized it like all other verses with the word eternal? (post 259) It's amazing what people can do to words who have their heads stuck in the sand. You would love Derrida's Of Grammatology. Read up.
You stick with your versions.
I'll stick with the understanding of THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT.
Dean Hough, director of THE SAVIOUR OF ALL FELLOWSHIP wrote “The definition given in THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT (edited by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan) is helpful. Concerning aionios we read, “In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . .” (p.16). If the horizon of the extermination spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply not in view, then we can see that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 can truly occur. The same all who are dying in Adam, which includes some who incur eonian extermination, can indeed eventually be vivified in Christ. The Bible, in fact, does not speak of judgment and condemnation, death and destruction, hades and Gehenna, or any of these serious consequences of sin, as unending. It may refer to them as not having the end in view, but none of these fearful works of God can keep Him from achieving His will (1Tim.2:4); reconciling all through the blood of Christ’s cross (Col.1:20, and becoming All in all (1 Cor.15:28).” Dean Hough
I'll stick with Dean Hough's understanding of THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT.
Dean Hough, director of THE SAVIOUR OF ALL FELLOWSHIP wrote “The definition given in THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT (edited by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan) is helpful. Concerning aionios we read, “In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . .” (p.16). If the horizon of the extermination spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply not in view, then we can see that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 can truly occur. The same all who are dying in Adam, which includes some who incur eonian extermination, can indeed eventually be vivified in Christ. The Bible, in fact, does not speak of judgment and condemnation, death and destruction, hades and Gehenna, or any of these serious consequences of sin, as unending. It may refer to them as not having the end in view, but none of these fearful works of God can keep Him from achieving His will (1Tim.2:4); reconciling all through the blood of Christ’s cross (Col.1:20, and becoming All in all (1 Cor.15:28).” Dean Hough
Did you notice how even if the word eternal was there, you would have semanticized it like all other verses with the word eternal? (post 259) It's amazing what people can do to words who have their heads stuck in the sand. You would love Derrida's Of Grammatology. Read up.
What exactly to you mean by "eternal"? This guestion is meant serious.
You may find it interesting that the Latin word aeternus, from which English "eternal" derived has the various meanings:
You might been further aware of, that the Bible was not written in modern English but in Hebrew and Greek, and that a Latin translation (the Vulgate) preceded modern English translations by a thousand years.
In the Latin version we find the expression "in aeternum et ultra" twice, in Exodus 15:18 and Micah 4:5, "in aeternum et ultra" one might render "to eternity and beyond", does that make sense to you? This is in line with both the Hebrew and the Greek version (the Septuagint).
In Daniel 12:3 we read about multiple eternities in the Latin, "in perpetuas aeternitates", "in perpetual eternities".
Interesting, isn't it?
You may want to read (or not) for further investigation:
In the passage, And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt. 25:46
the word eternal is used twice. Whatever meaning you apply to the first, apply to the second. If you expect God to uphold the first promise, expect him to uphold the second. If you expect God to default on the first promise, expect him to default on the second.
In the passage, And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt. 25:46
the word eternal is used twice. Whatever meaning you apply to the first, apply to the second. If you expect God to uphold the first promise, expect him to uphold the second. If you expect God to default on the first promise, expect him to default on the second.
God promises that both life eonian and kolasis eonian come to an end, then eternity continues with everyone saved from everything from which they need to be saved.
A snippet from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY
“Only as one sees God’s Plan of the Ages do they see the beauty of God’s Program for the redemption of the race.
Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’
Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).
God promises that both life eonian and kolasis eonian come to an end, then eternity continues with everyone saved from everything from which they need to be saved.
A snippet from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY
“Only as one sees God’s Plan of the Ages do they see the beauty of God’s Program for the redemption of the race.
Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’
Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).
Let me take a snippet from a quote you made earlier:
“In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . .”
How exactly does LOYAL F. HURLEY have a view beyond that not in view?
Just another group of folks making up bull crap as if they have two cans and a string leading to heaven. Let's stick to the written word shall we? Oh, and be consistent. Not "it's not in view, it's in view", "Matt. 25:46 - first eternal is temporary, second eternal is eternal"
In the passage, And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt. 25:46
the word eternal is used twice. Whatever meaning you apply to the first, apply to the second. If you expect God to uphold the first promise, expect him to uphold the second. If you expect God to default on the first promise, expect him to default on the second.
What about Romans 16:25.26, 2 Timothy 1:9,Titus 1:2 and Habakkuk 3:6?
Are past times or shattered mountains co-perpetual with God's existence or His ways? Are past times co-perpetual with the future life of the righteous?
Let me take a snippet from a quote you made earlier:
“In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . .”
How exactly does LOYAL F. HURLEY have a view beyond that not in view?
Just another group of folks making up bull crap as if they have two cans and a string leading to heaven. Let's stick to the written word shall we? Oh, and be consistent. Not "it's not in view, it's in view", "Matt. 25:46 - first eternal is temporary, second eternal is eternal"
We know what is beyond the horizon that is not in view because Heb. 9:26 tells us that the ages will collectively come to an end. Scriptures also tell us that all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).
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