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I'm wondering if I should be worried or not. Some say I should, some say I shouldn't. I want assurance from you, as a person who says I shouldn't, that I won't end up in hell eternally.
Are we going in circles? What does my particular belief have to do with anything? I just want to know, whatever my belief or lack thereof, if I'll end up in a good place. This was covered way back in post #155. https://www.city-data.com/forum/29404110-post155.html
The object of your belief is means of your salvation. To believe the truth is to be saved, to believe a lie is to be damned. In this case, Christ is the object, not a particular eschatology.
Must I believe in a life preserver in order to believe that I won't drown?
Why your accussations then against universalists? Calvinism or Catholicism could be likewise dangerous.
With your question you imply, that someone might believe in Christian universalism, without believing in Christ, right? That doesn't make too much sense, but I understand your sentiment to a certain degree that those who are interested in the Christian faith lose their interest then and think, if all are going to saved, why bother anyway, but I think that these people would be people who would believe only in order to escape hell it were true, if you can this call "belief" at all. Do you get my point?
Why your accussations then against universalists? Calvinism or Catholicism could be likewise dangerous.
With your question you imply, that someone might believe in Christian universalism, without believing in Christ, right? That doesn't make too much sense, but I understand your sentiment to a certain degree that those who are interested in the Christian faith lose their interest then and think, if all are going to saved, why bother anyway, but I think that these people would be people who would believe only in order to escape hell it were true, if you can this call "belief" at all. Do you get my point?
From my understanding, the gospel proclaims who God is, the problem of human sin, a remedy, and a summons to repent and believe. People hear the problem of their human sin and seek a remedy. "What must we do?" If in the end there was no problem, why seek a remedy?
Its not intellectually dishonest when we are talking about eternal and timeless/multidimensional things we don't understand AND there are multiple historical, scriptural, and logical reasons to believe the punishments/corrections of the goats do not last forever or to at least make room for reasonable doubt. How about making room for the "Ultimately, I don't know what will happen to the Goats at the end of the ages" position?
There is still far too much Pharisaic arrogance in today's Church when it comes to the endtimes and this constant condemnation of URs to hell is just ridiculous. Even Saint Augustine, who gave you that Matthew 25:46 argument, didn't think the URs of his day were hell bound. He merely said that they were "in error" and I think he even called them "brethren" if I remember the quote correctly. The day Twinspin admits that MAYBE URs aren't kitchen appliances of the Devil guaranteed for hell will be a happy day of rejoicing for me and probably many here.
Since Galations 1:6-9 is the truth, those proclaiming false gospels are under God's curse.
Since Matthew 25:31-46 is the truth, those who are cursed are sent to hell.
No doubt, with enough effort, a person will be able not to connect the two.
Are we going in circles? What does my particular belief have to do with anything? I just want to know, whatever my belief or lack thereof, if I'll end up in a good place.
Your particular belief has everything to do with it because you're the one who said you are worried you'll end up in hell if you believe Christian Universalism. Why are you worried about that?
Your particular belief has everything to do with it because you're the one who said you are worried you'll end up in hell if you believe Christian Universalism. Why are you worried about that?
Why your accussations then against universalists? Calvinism or Catholicism could be likewise dangerous.
With your question you imply, that someone might believe in Christian universalism, without believing in Christ, right? That doesn't make too much sense, but I understand your sentiment to a certain degree that those who are interested in the Christian faith lose their interest then and think, if all are going to saved, why bother anyway, but I think that these people would be people who would believe only in order to escape hell it were true,if you can this call "belief" at all. Do you get my point?
Holy crap people. Hypothetically, I'm an atheist. I've heard there is something to flee from (the wrath of God) and unto (Jesus Christ). You're saying I have nothing to worry about. I, therefore, continue in my atheist ways. If you're wrong, I end up in hell eternally.
If you are so sure that I won't end up in hell, why not give me a guarantee? If not, I assume you're unsure about the whole thing. This is not that complicated.
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*my particular religion.
