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"In the twinkling of an eye ... change". Still, the issue is one of 'heart', rather than 'time.'
Even if folks are not 'Raptured', there will still be a 5-7-year opportunity for people to repent and turn to Christ. According to Rev. 7:14, a huge number will do so. In fact, the very reason for the final 7-year Great Tribulation on earth seems to be (1) to give those lives would otherwise be cut short, a final opportunity to repent and turn to Christ; and (2) to further demonstrate God's unparalleled grace in contrast to the hardened hearts of those who will never turn to Christ under any condition.
"In the twinkling of an eye ... change". Still, the issue is one of 'heart', rather than 'time.'
Even if folks are not 'Raptured', there will still be a 5-7-year opportunity for people to repent and turn to Christ. According to Rev. 7:14, a huge number will do so. In fact, the very reason for the final 7-year Great Tribulation on earth seems to be (1) to give those lives would otherwise be cut short, a final opportunity to repent and turn to Christ; and (2) to further demonstrate God's unparalleled grace in contrast to the hardened hearts of those who will never turn to Christ under any condition.
I agree there is a chance after rapture, but I think the people in white robes are all people who believed before and after rapture, and the 'great tribulation' refers to tribulations of Christian life, and not the post rapture situation.
This passage suggests the number who turn to God after rapture is not that many.
2 Tess 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
I'm pretty confident that Jesus had certain people in mind when he said:
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his
voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have
done what is evil will rise to be condemned."
for when this does occurs it will amaze the folks who bought into the millennial story line and it's multiple generalities.
This is something I have started thinking about in recent time. I wonder if, when Jesus returns, if there will be sudden believers and will they be raptured? The bible says every eye will see Jesus when He returns. This indicates that there could be some amount of time delay to the rapture when Jesus returns, but no more that a short while. (a few minutes to an hour maybe?) Will God allow this to happen? Is it saving faith to believe in Jesus after seeing Him?
First off, it kinda depends whether you believe in the rapture as described denominations that believe in it. Do events really play out exactly as they say they will? Are they missing some important details and events? The entire rapture theology is largely based on interpretations of the Revelation of John -- and that's tricky business for anyone. There are many many ways to interpret what John actually meant and countless theories in countless denominations read the Revelation completely differently from one another.
Everyone gets resurrected and eventually stands before Christ. That is what He promised would occur. That doesn't necessarily have to happen right after His second coming, does it? I imagine it happens later.
I'm pretty confident that Jesus had certain people in mind when he said:
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."
for when this does occurs it will amaze the folks who bought into the millennial story line and it's multiple generalities.
It does not say the good and the evil will raise the same day.
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
It does not say the good and the evil will raise the same day.
Sorry Finn,
How does the singular "a time" ... the totality of all, "all who are in their graves" ..... with the combination of "and", .... be understood that it does not?
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned."
Sorry Finn,
How does the singular "a time" ... the totality of all, "all who are in their graves" ..... with the combination of "and", .... be understood that it does not?
That's what it sounds like, but it can still mean different time for different people. A time for the righteous, and a time for the wicked. It is not clear, and I have read so many arguments for the different timing of things, that I have decided to wait and see how it goes down. Personally I lean towards the pre/mid-trib view because of the verses which support there is an order to it. It is ok to disagree though since salvation does not depend on which view one supports.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
That's what it sounds like, but it can still mean different time for different people. A time for the righteous, and a time for the wicked. It is not clear, and I have read so many arguments for the different timing of things, that I have decided to wait and see how it goes down. Personally I lean towards the pre/mid-trib view because of the verses which support there is an order to it. It is ok to disagree though since salvation does not depend on which view one supports. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
According to Acts [ 24 v 15] there is going to be [ future ] a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.
According to Psalm [ 92 v 7 ] the wicked are to be destroyed forever. The wicked are not considered as unrighteous ones.
Yes, 1st Thess. 4 vs 13- 16 is dealing with the 'dead' that will rise first. Rise first as in having a first or earlier resurrection.
-Rev. 20 v 6; 5 vs 9,10; 2 v 10
During Jesus' coming 1000-year reign over earth is when the majority of mankind [John 3 v 13 ] will have a resurrection back to live life on earth in healthy human perfection of having a sound, heart, mind and body.- Rev. 22 v 2; Gen. 22 v 18
1st Thess. [ 5 vs 2,3 ] is a precursor to the great tribulation [ Rev. 7 v 14 ]
Jesus said as in the days of Noah [ Matt. 24 v 37 ]
The tribulation of Noah's day came hard and swift [ No seven year rain ]
The end was also hard and swift for Sodom and Gomorrah.
so, as in the days of Noah the great tribulation will be hard and swift, but by the words from Jesus' mouth.
-Isaiah 11 vs 3,4; Rev. 19 vs 11,15
This passage suggests the number who turn to God after rapture is not that many.
2 Tess 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2nd Thess. 2 vs 2-8 is also in connection to Acts 20 vs 29,30. Right after the first century ended is when false clergy [ wolves in sheep clothing ] have been fleecing the flock of God since then.
That has nothing to do with one particular person [ lawless one ] but the composite false clergy class who sit themselves in the 'temple' [ houses of worship ] as if they are God when in reality they are anti-God as the Pharisees [ man of the cloth ] were anti-God in the first century.
The apostles acted as a restraint while they were alive. After the apostles were ' off the scene ', so to speak, is when false Christian ideas were spread. The clergy classes taught church traditions outside of Scripture as being Scripture.
"In the twinkling of an eye ... change". Still, the issue is one of 'heart', rather than 'time.'
Even if folks are not 'Raptured', there will still be a 5-7-year opportunity for people to repent and turn to Christ. According to Rev. 7:14, a huge number will do so. In fact, the very reason for the final 7-year Great Tribulation on earth seems to be (1) to give those lives would otherwise be cut short, a final opportunity to repent and turn to Christ; and (2) to further demonstrate God's unparalleled grace in contrast to the hardened hearts of those who will never turn to Christ under any condition.
'In the twinkling of an eye' as in meaning those dead ones will not sleep in death as those who died earlier.
-1st Thess 4 vs 13-17 Those 'brothers' that reign with Christ have a first or earlier resurrection.- Rev. 20 v 6.
'Flesh' [ physical ] according to 1st Cor. 15 v 50 can Not inherit the kingdom [ no rapture but resurrection ]
The 'great crowd' of Rev. 7 v 14 is comprised of the humble 'sheep' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32, 40
Where did Jesus teach a 5-7 year opportunity to repent ?__________
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