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Adam was a perfect being with free choice. The ability to choose God or knowledge. And I did not say Adam was punished anymore than anyone else. God sees us all one in the same. We all suffer Adam's curse. Those who believe in Jesus only die bodily now until He returns. Those who do not believe in Jesus die body and soul.
You mean to say that Adam that was formed from the dust is perfect?.Where does it say that Adam was a perfect being?. Don't you think if he was a perfect being, there would have been no need for God to tell him don't eat of that tree ?.. This is what gets me about the 100% bible inerrantist. Scripture does not say such things,yet you are quick to remind us that you stick to the bible with your beliefs.
Jesus Christ sent from God is the perfect being and we who have born the image of the earthy man shall also bear the image of the heavenly man. Adam could never be perfect without knowing the image of the heavenly man( Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is who we are) and he could not have done anything different to what he did,being born of the earth not knowing who he was. If he knew he was the perfect being of God, he would have uttered the same words Jesus did in the wilderness to the serpent and nailed him there and then.........'It hath been written, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.'
Also where does it say Adam was cursed with eternal hell ?. God told Adam that he would return to the dust from which he was formed, not sent to eternal hell.
You see here you go again with saying you are born again when you believe Jesus died for your sins. Scripture does not teach this at all.
There isn't a person who is still alive in their physical body who is "born again." They are "born of God" or "born from above" (gennao) which means conceived/begotten by God. They are conceived as "embryo Spirits" developing to spiritual maturity and will be "reborn as Spirit" (born again) after their death.
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It was God according to scripture that made you alive( read the 1st 10 verses of Eph 10),you just like to think it was something you did, he did it all and if you are believing, God did it. He convinced you to believe ........... For God Who said, Let light shine out of darkness, has shone in our hearts so as [to beam forth] the Light for the illumination of the knowledge of the majesty and glory of God [as it is manifest in the Person and is revealed] in the face of Jesus Christ (the Messiah)., which woke you out of your sleep of death and caused you to believe. There's no buts about it. God was doing something deep in your innermost being before you was even aware there was a Savior, he kept speaking to the seed that is in you( the word(seed)is nigh unto you in you mouth and heart)until Light hit it and the rain came upon it and he gave the increase.
Amen, pcamps! It is undeniably true in my case for sure! I was a diehard atheist but He awakened me.
You mean to say that Adam that was formed from the dust is perfect?.Where does it say that Adam was a perfect being?
Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that He had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day."
God would not have called all of His creation very good if it was not perfect and that creation included Adam and Eve. God rested because His work was complete and perfect. There was nothing left to improve.
Also where does it say Adam was cursed with eternal hell ?. God told Adam that he would return to the dust from which he was formed, not sent to eternal hell.
Did I say Adam was cursed with eternal hell? Hmm, nope I don't think I did.
Genesis 1:31 "God saw all that He had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day."
God would not have called all of His creation very good if it was not perfect and that creation included Adam and Eve. God rested because His work was complete and perfect. There was nothing left to improve.
Is good, perfect ?.
You do know that Jesus Christ the last Adam, not the first man Adam is the exact representation(the express image of God) of who God is ?. Or do you believe Jesus Christ is God's second attempt to have a perfect being not miss the mark ?.
You do know that Jesus Christ the last Adam, not the first man Adam is the exact representation(the express image of God) of who God is ?. Or do you believe Jesus Christ is God's second attempt to have a perfect being not miss the mark ?.
If Adam was not perfect in creation then Jesus would not be called the second Adam.
So Adam was the exact representation of who God is?. If this is true then God can miss the mark just like Adam for they are both exactly the same.
Adam was like God. He was not God Himself. You cannot put the creation on the same level as the Creator. Even Jesus said His Father is greater than Him.
Adam was like God. He was not God Himself. You cannot put the creation on the same level as the Creator. Even Jesus said His Father is greater than Him.
You're missing the point. Jesus Christ is perfect because he is the exact representation of who God is. Adam was neither.
You're missing the point. Jesus Christ is perfect because he is the exact representation of who God is. Adam was neither.
But the thing to remember is that Adam was not made with flaws. To say that is to imply God purposely made Adam incomplete and with flaws. If God did that then He would not have called all of His creation as very good. Yes Jesus is perfect, fully man and fully God which is why His sacrifice is sufficient for us to be saved forever. Remember also that God created man in His image and likeness. The only difference is that God has the knowledge of good and evil, and the power to control it. Man was made with only the knowledge of good. Man cannot control the knowledge of both good and evil. To make creation perfect God gave man free will. God gave us the power to choose Him or choose knowledge. If everything is good and man can only do good, where is the choice? God had to give man a way to say no to Him otherwise creation is not perfect, its slavery even though everything is good and all choices we could make are good if we can't say no to that then it is still slavery. Giving man free will, in the eyes of God, made all of His creation perfect including man. This is pertaining to God's creation, not a basis of perfection according to obedience. God made everything in such a way so that man could live without law.
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It is undeniably true in my case for sure! I was a diehard atheist but He awakened me.
