What do you believe you are saved from ?. (hell, punishment, doctrine)
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Believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. I have no interest in this being a UR v ET debate. Just a simple post stating what you believe you are saved from.
Turning next to those who shall stand on His left, He will pour out His justice upon them in these words: Departfrom me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared f or the devil and his angels.The first words, depart from me, express the heaviest punishment with which the wicked shall be visited, eternal banishment from the sight of God, unrelieved by one consolatory hope of ever recovering so great a
good. This punishment is called by theologians the pain of loss, because in hell the wicked shall be deprivedforever of the light of the vision of God.The words ye cursed, which follow, increase unutterably their wretched and calamitous condition. If whenbanished from the divine presence they were deemed worthy to receive some benediction, this would be to them a great source of consolation. But since they can expect nothing of this kind as an alleviation of their misery, thendivine justice deservedly pursues them with every species of malediction, once they have been banished.The next words, into everlasting fire, express another sort of punishment, which is called by theologians thenpain of sense, because, like lashes, stripes or other more severe chastisements, among which fire, no produces the most intense pain, it is felt through the organs of sense. When, moreover, we reflect that thistorment is to be eternal, we can see at once that the punishment of the damned includes every kind of suffering.The concluding words, which was prepared f or the devil and his angels, make this still more clear. For nature has so provided that we feel miseries less when we have companions and sharers in them who can, least in some measure, assist us by their advice and kindness, what must be the horrible state of the damned in such calamities can never separate themselves from the companionship of most wicked demons ? And yetmost justly shall this very sentence be pronounced by our Lord and Saviour on those sinners who neglected allthe works of true mercy, who gave neither food to the hungry, nor drink to the thirsty, who refused shelter to the stranger and clothing to the naked, and who would not visit the sick and the imprisoned.
Believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. I have no interest in this being a UR v ET debate. Just a simple post stating what you believe you are saved from.
I'd say two things...
1. The permanance of death
2. Having to pay the price for my own sins
The futility of a selfish life. More importantly, I am saved to life more abundant in the joy of fellowship with Christ that is eternal.......starting a few years ago.
Believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. I have no interest in this being a UR v ET debate. Just a simple post stating what you believe you are saved from.
1.) God knows the end from the beginning.
2.) God knows all things.
3.) God started our lives by giving us the breath of life.
If so, then God would have known everyone that would be eternally separated BEFORE he even gave them the breath of life. That would be the God your preaching if you believe all three o f those.
1.) God knows the end from the beginning.
2.) God knows all things.
3.) God started our lives by giving us the breath of life.
If so, then God would have known everyone that would be eternally separated BEFORE he even gave them the breath of life.
Yes, but I don't know whom it is He has chosen unto ever-lasting life. Someone may believe himself to be saved when he is not and one can fear that he is not saved when he is. A person should not assume lightly that he is saved. The heart can be deceived and always open to temptation; earnest self-examination should be a significant component of a Christian's life to make sure their salvation rests alone on Christ's sacrifice.
I'm not really sure if that's what you were talking about though; it seemed like it might have been. I think the three points you mentioned are basically true. I don't fully understand the doctrine of God's Decree (which deals with what He knows and the future and all that); I'm still searching for understanding as I read His word, praying for His assistance with that (it is a very complex thing though and here is the exact wording of it: "Though He knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions, yet He hasn't decreed anything because He foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions". It almost sounds like He ordains everything that comes to pass and knows all the possibilities of what can come to pass; yet He can't know the future because it hasn't happened yet? That doesn't seem quite right, but I just am not certain of it yet. Hopefully, the Holy Spirit will inspire me to understanding as I continue to search His word).
Yes, but I don't know whom it is He has chosen unto ever-lasting life. Someone may believe himself to be saved when he is not and one can fear that he is not saved when he is. A person should not assume lightly that he is saved. The heart can be deceived and always open to temptation; earnest self-examination should be a significant component of a Christian's life to make sure their salvation rests alone on Christ's sacrifice.
I'm not really sure if that's what you were talking about though; it seemed like it might have been. I think the three points you mentioned are basically true. I don't fully understand the doctrine of God's Decree (which deals with what He knows and the future and all that); I'm still searching for understanding as I read His word, praying for His assistance with that (it is a very complex thing though and here is the exact wording of it: "Though He knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions, yet He hasn't decreed anything because He foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions". It almost sounds like He ordains everything that comes to pass and knows all the possibilities of what can come to pass; yet He can't know the future because it hasn't happened yet? That doesn't seem quite right, but I just am not certain of it yet. Hopefully, the Holy Spirit will inspire me to understanding as I continue to search His word).
I say that because I hoped it made you think about it - which it appears you did. The reality is that God must be intent on saving everyone. Because He is the one that gave us life to begin with (fully knowing the end from the beginning). This is what us universlist are trying to show on this forum to those that are trying to understand this. God knows the future because He knows th end from the beginning.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
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