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Old 08-31-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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I don't know. I mean in so much as we all have our own natural talents and some things come more easily and readily to some than it does to others I believe in fate. You're given all the tools you need for your individual journey. Good communication skills, strong intuitive ability, and great body kinesthetics have served me well.

I believe free will in that we can choose what to do with our lives and what we do(or not do) with our talents or what we choose to develop or let go by the wayside.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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"Fate" is simply to random and instinctive ... like animals or karma to fit God's unique and amazing human creation. 'Pre-destination' (pre-determination) and 'Pre-cognition' (foreknowledge) at least acknowledge God's existence, while 'free-will' allows truths such as 'love, grace, mercy, justice, Lordship and a hundred other interactions with God, ... to truly exist. Without 'free will,' they are meaningless concepts.

The finite doesn't readily grasp the infinite ... except in the realization that God is not man; is not bound by the laws of the universe; and that there is no "Pre-" with God. God is timeless; the Alpha and Omega; the same yesterday, today and tomorrow; without beginning or end. Nothing is unknown to God, including our lifetime choices and consequences.

"PRE-" is a human condition that emerges from God's creation of 'time' for our benefit, in Genesis. Time, as we understand it, allow US (not God) to recognize change, growth and consequences. God has 'pre-destined' the unchanging consequences of man's free-will choices. Of course, God also knows (foreknowledge) who will make what choices and what consequences we will enjoy or suffer.

The lack of man's freedom to reject God and rebel against His Lordship, correspondingly eliminates man's freedom to 'choose' God and submit to His Lordship. The very fact that both conditions exist evidences the truth of 'free will.’

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Old 08-31-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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I don't know. I mean in so much as we all have our own natural talents and some things come more easily and readily to some than it does to others I believe in fate. You're given all the tools you need for your individual journey. Good communication skills, strong intuitive ability, and great body kinesthetics have served me well.

I believe free will in that we can choose what to do with our lives and what we do(or not do) with our talents or what we choose to develop or let go by the wayside.

Where do you choices originate?...
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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You have fate confused with predestination...
"Fate" is just the pagan term for the pagan concept of predestination.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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"Fate" is just the pagan term for the pagan concept of predestination.
And Hell is just a Christian perversion of Hel
A Pagan spiritual realm and deity.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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"Fate" is just the pagan term for the pagan concept of predestination.

Sigh...No it is not...
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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Where do you choices originate?...
Im not sure as it depends on the situation.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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Im not sure as it depends on the situation.

What is their source...
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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What is their source...
It's both. Something's I feel are meant to be others I choose to walk in that direction. Hence why I'm not really sure. But I see where you lean.
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Old 08-31-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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God knows all possible variations of our actions that we may take. But just which one of them we will take is defined by our free will. That is we have options, god knows all these options, we have a choice what action to opt by our free will.

We are creating our fate by activities of our free will.
How did God find out what we will do? Did he look down the corridors of time to figure it out?

And since God doesn't have the ability to choose evil....do we have more liberty than him?
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