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Well, I gotta tell you. If you don't see it, you've never read the Bible. And whatever you "studied out", it wasn't the Bible. Believing it is another discussion, but it's pretty much undeniably there. What you're saying is like saying there's nothing about the Civil War in "Gone With The Wind".
Actually, probably read it more than you, including in the original language it was birthed from. But what you *think* it means and what it means, are two different things, in the light of comparing precept to precept, instead of basing a doctrine on one line. Peace
Well, I gotta tell you. If you don't see it, you've never read the Bible. And whatever you "studied out", it wasn't the Bible. Believing it is another discussion, but it's pretty much undeniably there. What you're saying is like saying there's nothing about the Civil War in "Gone With The Wind".
Tell us what scriptures you are referring to in a rapture because two men in a bed, one taken is certainly not a rapture.
Paul stating,'' THOSE OF US LEFT BEHIND.''
Left after what?
''THOSE OF US WHO REMAIN.''
He is referring to the same thing Zechariah refers to, and Zechariah insinuates that if you are not already keeping the feast of Tabernacles, you just might have your eyes melted in your head before you hit the ground because fire will test every man.
People are teaching a rapture that supposedly takes all the Christians out of this world to escape a judgment, and there is no such thing as this. People are not suddenly going to go missing while the world wonders where they went and this is why the world will laugh saying,'' Go on up ye bald head,'' because they will not yet realize the righteous are left behind, and in those days a curse will go out and nature will kill whoever it is to kill.
The first thing that happens is the Bema Judgment and it will lay a third of the earth dead and takes years to clean.
The people who die are not sinners, they are Christians, and even then no rapture has taken place.
This is a fairly old thread, and I'm fairly certain I've already stated the following, but, and for all the good it will do with regard to the rapture deniers, the rapture of the Church is plainly stated in 1 Thessalonian 4:17 and will take place simultaneously with the resurrection of Church-age believers.
1 Thess. 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The phrase 'caught up' is the rapture. The Greek word translated as 'caught up' is ἁρπάζω - harpazo. It is translated into Latin as rapiemur from which we get the English word 'rapture' but which is usually translated as 'caught up.'
There are differing views regarding the placement of the rapture relative to the Tribulation (I hold to the pre-Tribulational view), but to deny that there will be any rapture at all is simply not justified.
That the raptured church is in heaven during the Tribulation is seen in Revelation 19:7-8 where the church is referred to as the bride who has been made ready for the marriage of the Lamb. The bride is made ready by having gone through the judgment seat of Christ which is for the purpose of evaluating the Church-age believer for eternal rewards.
Yep. It's a doctrine with roots of fear and selfishness because no thought is given for those supposedly left behind as long as they get "raptured". And they forget that in the days of Noah, only the wicked left the earth; the righteous were just raised up above the judgment to the flesh. Peace
Actually, probably read it more than you, including in the original language it was birthed from. But what you *think* it means and what it means, are two different things, in the light of comparing precept to precept, instead of basing a doctrine on one line. Peace
I'm bettin' you haven't ever read it in your life. I've read it more than once, but once was enough. And the additional 250 plus times I've read it, I haven't come to any different conclusions. And I'm a non-denominational, non-church going Christian who reads the Bible on his own.
I think you've either never read the Bible, or your reading it through a denominational filter, or you have extremely bad reading comprehension.
Yep. It's a doctrine with roots of fear and selfishness because no thought is given for those supposedly left behind as long as they get "raptured". And they forget that in the days of Noah, only the wicked left the earth; the righteous were just raised up above the judgment to the flesh. Peace
It has nothing to do with either fear or selfishness. It has everything to do with what the Bible has to say about it.
What has just happened that has left only the righteous standing on the Earth?
He is talking about Zechariah 14.
The feast of Tabernacles where everyone who has fought against Jerusalem and Judah will be sorry they did.
No mention of the rapture appears in the Old Testament because no mention of the Church is made in the Old Testament. And the rapture is what terminates the dispensation of the Church and must take place before the Tribulation can begin.
I'm bettin' you haven't ever read it in your life. I've read it more than once, but once was enough. And the additional 250 plus times I've read it, I haven't come to any different conclusions. And I'm a non-denominational, non-church going Christian who reads the Bible on his own.
I think you've either never read the Bible, or your reading it through a denominational filter, or you have extremely bad reading comprehension.
WHY?
What scriptures in the bible talk about what you believe Led, don't make me break out the rain song on you.
It's just a little rain.
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