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Old 12-18-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: New England
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Jesus himself worshiped in the Temple. To be a follower of Jesus means to follow his example. "There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD. (Leviticus 23:3) Jesus was obedient even until death on a cross.
What they don't want you to believe is

That scripture also teaches that we are the temple of God and our Heavenly Father is in the temple, no organized religion needed for any who discover this,and better still it's got no control over us at that point.
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Clanton, AL
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Firstly, I don't necessarily consider organized religion to be bad.

I consider your version of it to be bad.

By far the majority of the people I know and care about identify as Catholic, Anglican, Jewish or some other established religion. I have no beef with them.

My beef is with Fundamentalists. They hurt people.
So tell me how I have hurt people. I suppose trying to lead people to Jesus would be hurting them to you!
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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So tell me how I have hurt people. I suppose trying to lead people to Jesus would be hurting them to you!
If I thought you really cared about an answer and would give it reasoned consideration, I'd reply.

But I've read enough of your posts to know your mind - and you don't, and you wouldn't.
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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James 1:22

If anyone believes for a moment that NOT attending worship with other believers is the God preferred method of assembly then your wrong... plain and simple.

So the question still remains "can you love God without organized religion"... Can you? yes... do we? of course, should you? maybe... is it the best way? no.

To those who refuse to worship, sing praises, assemble with other believers you will spend time to find/search scripture to agree with your position(s) but do not allow scripture to mold/shape your thinking. That's wrong and you may have to give an account of such. It is for this reason that we must ALL submit to accountability to other believers. When our belief is not subject to iron on iron we will become an "authority" unto ourselves.
We see it right here all the time. It is without reservation I say that most of our self acclaimed authorities on the Bible do not attend church.

Men do not like church. That's a fact, because
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"Christians were to be gentle, sensitive and nurturing, focused on home and family rather than accomplishment and career. Believers were not supposed to like sex, tobacco, dancing or other worldly pleasures. The godly were always calm, polite and sociable".
This is why men need to have fun together doing guy stuff. If your buddies attend church it sure is a lot easier to join in.

Nothing wrong with car night or football parties, fishing, hunting, ... boy stuff. Go to your church and start a men's ministry. Love God by fixin' stuff for widows, take kids out who have no fathers and teach em boy stuff. Let 'em get dirty, work on things, shoot BB guns, teach them to pray and love God like men...and Don't forget about our servicemen and men in prison.

...just sayin'
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Old 12-18-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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James 1:22

If anyone believes for a moment that NOT attending worship with other believers is the God preferred method of assembly then your wrong... plain and simple.

So the question still remains "can you love God without organized religion"... Can you? yes... do we? of course, should you? maybe... is it the best way? no.

To those who refuse to worship, sing praises, assemble with other believers you will spend time to find/search scripture to agree with your position(s) but do not allow scripture to mold/shape your thinking. That's wrong and you may have to give an account of such. It is for this reason that we must ALL submit to accountability to other believers. When our belief is not subject to iron on iron we will become an "authority" unto ourselves.
We see it right here all the time. It is without reservation I say that most of our self acclaimed authorities on the Bible do not attend church.

Men do not like church. That's a fact, because This is why men need to have fun together doing guy stuff. If your buddies attend church it sure is a lot easier to join in.

Nothing wrong with car night or football parties, fishing, hunting, ... boy stuff. Go to your church and start a men's ministry. Love God by fixin' stuff for widows, take kids out who have no fathers and teach em boy stuff. Let 'em get dirty, work on things, shoot BB guns, teach them to pray and love God like men...and Don't forget about our servicemen and men in prison.

...just sayin'
Amen, good post

Blessings

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Old 12-18-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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Men do not like church. That's a fact, because This is why men need to have fun together doing guy stuff. If your buddies attend church it sure is a lot easier to join in.
Some men do not and that is an indication of a lack of love and appreciation for God and His people. Remember King David? He said a day in God's courtyard was worth a thousand elsewhere.

I love being in attendance and ... love camping, car racing, football, etc, BUT it is secondary not primary. When an adult male grows up and has his priorities straight, he becomes a man, until then, he plays but isn't a man.
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Old 12-18-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Some men do not and that is an indication of a lack of love and appreciation for God and His people. Remember King David? He said a day in God's courtyard was worth a thousand elsewhere.

I love being in attendance and ... love camping, car racing, football, etc, BUT it is secondary not primary. When an adult male grows up and has his priorities straight, he becomes a man, until then, he plays but isn't a man.
That's great that you do... but my comments and observations are true, not contrived or made up and I'm not judging anyone. I'm making observations about behavior. If Church just feeds the spirit the flesh will wither. Nothing wrong with some food or fun to be part of what connects us. Life is mostly living, not church, so if we live connected as believers we send a powerful message to others. It's a way to preach the gospel without using words (St. Francis Assisi)

God prefers we be together not apart... for two can warm each other and a cord of three strands is not easily broken... and we know it's not about being warm or rope.

This is what's makes a man... 1Timothy 3. but I agree that being devout is part of that equation.

http://gracepointmen.com/sitebuilder..._godly_man.pdf
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Old 12-18-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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That's great that you do... but my comments and observations are true, not contrived or made up and I'm not judging anyone. I'm making observations about behavior. If Church just feeds the spirit the flesh will wither. Nothing wrong with some food or fun to be part of what connects us. Life is mostly living, not church, so if we live connected as believers we send a powerful message to others. It's a way to preach the gospel without using words (St. Francis Assisi)

God prefers we be together not apart... for two can warm each other and a cord of three strands is not easily broken... and we know it's not about being warm or rope.

This is what's makes a man... 1Timothy 3. but I agree that being devout is part of that equation.

http://gracepointmen.com/sitebuilder..._godly_man.pdf
Hi,

Oh in general we are in agreement.

The main point I was making is that "men" are not adverse to assembling together in worship.
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:08 AM
 
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Reminds me of the story about the Rabbi who noticed a certain man stopped attending Temple. He went to visit him. He sat down in front of the man's fire and they just sat there. The Rabbi took an ember out of the fire and put it on the floor in front of the fireplace but separated from the fire. After awhile the ember went cold and had no fire left in it.

The man turned to the Rabbi and said, "I will be at Temple next week." The Rabbi taught without using words. It was a great lesson.
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Old 12-19-2013, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Vizio, I suspect anything other that bible idolatry seems like weird theology to you.
I was thinking the very same thing.
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