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I don't know how a non believer could come to believe in a god that is preached as unable to secure his desire. How can anyone have confidence in such a god.
It is not a matter of being unable. God allows you to reject Him, which is what millions of people have done. He keeps His promise that anyone who believes in Him will have eternal life. That is why people trust Him. I would not trust anyone who would force me to obey.
It is not a matter of being unable. God allows you to reject Him, which is what millions of people have done. He keeps His promise that anyone who believes in Him will have eternal life. That is why people trust Him. I would not trust anyone who would force me to obey.
I don't know if you know this but scripture does not say will have eternal life, but has eternal life. I would trust some one who is tolerant of me, forbearing of me, long suffering towards me, in drawing me, persuading me and convincing me and apprehending me so that I come to the knowledge of the truth, and I would have no issue at all in them forcing the issue if it was for my over all benefit, even though I perhaps never understood it at the time.
Do you also not understand that scripture says you were dead in sin and iniquity, so please tell me how you chose independently of God, being in that state? , it says that God rich in mercy raised you up, not you were raised up and freed to make a quality choice . I know you are bible literalist, so how can you go against what it literally says and state what you have said above ?.
I don't know if you know this but scripture does not say will have eternal life, but has eternal life. I would trust some one who is tolerant of me, forbearing of me, long suffering towards me, in drawing me, persuading me and convincing me and apprehending me so that I come to the knowledge of the truth, and I would have no issue at all in them forcing the issue if it was for my over all benefit, even though I perhaps never understood it at the time.
Do you also not understand that scripture says you were dead in sin and iniquity, so please tell me how you chose independently of God, being in that state? , it says that God rich in mercy raised you up, not you were raised up and freed to make a quality choice . I know you are bible literalist, so how can you go against what it literally says and state what you have said above ?.
Yes, God did indeed have mercy on me, and forgave me even after I had rejected His love for so long. He knocked on my door for a long time, and I was foolish enough to refuse to open, until one day when I finally accepted His invitation. I have no idea what you mean by "choose independently of God", but you are well known for asking such "why did you beat your wife" strawman questions.
Yes, God did indeed have mercy on me, and forgave me even after I had rejected His love for so long. He knocked on my door for a long time, and I was foolish enough to refuse to open, until one day when I finally accepted His invitation. I have no idea what you mean by "choose independently of God", but you are well known for asking such "why did you beat your wife" strawman questions.
But wasn't you dead in sin and iniquity?., please tell me how in that state you were able to make a quality choice, the truth is you didn't. Scripture gives the answer he made you alive while you were in that state. In other words God forced you out of your state of unbelief and sin and iniquity and shone the light of his glorious gospel in your heart, which revealed to you, that he was not holding your sin against you, your burden rolled away in the knowledge of this and you couldn't help but believe. Now that is the power of the gospel.
But wasn't you dead in sin and iniquity?., please tell me how in that state you were able to make a quality choice, the truth is you didn't. Scripture gives the answer he made you alive while you were in that state. In other words God forced you out of your state of unbelief and sin and iniquity and shone the light of his glorious gospel in your heart, which revealed to you, that he was not holding your sin against you, your burden rolled away in the knowledge of this and you couldn't help but believe. Now that is the power of the gospel.
I am glad you are asking yourself these questions. They may lead you the truth.
It is not a matter of being unable. God allows you to reject Him, which is what millions of people have done. He keeps His promise that anyone who believes in Him will have eternal life. That is why people trust Him. I would not trust anyone who would force me to obey.
God created us carnal. We carnal before we are spiritual therefore God created us by default to reject Him. That is because He has purposed to save everyone by giving everyone a new heart in due time.
The Carnal Mind cannot obey. It must be forced. Let me ask you. Would you let your kids run into the street or would you run towards then and grab them by force away from the street? You gotta remember we are like children running towards the street when it comes to our salvation. Our Father in Heaven must react to save us by force otherwise, we are destined for that street.
How close to Jesus will you be to Jesus' left, to see the action of those that caused you so much grief by being instruments of satan being thrown into eternal damnation ?.
It's funny how we blame the devil or God for all our grief, well i guess having a scapegoat mentality we are going to.
I can hand on heart say i have never accused the devil for anything that i have done, from the moment i saw God was not having any of it when Eve blamed him. He desires truth in the inward parts.
Since it will be those on the left who will be forced to watch those who repented\ believed and are invited by Jesus into heaven thus making your question irrelevant ... the appropriate question will be how close will you be to Jesus' right and still be on Jesus' left?
Which if you're as astute as you boast of ... you'd notice that Jesus addresses how close the left gets but still missing being on the right.
Luke 13:25-27
Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’ “But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
“Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
“But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:21 [ True and False Disciples ] “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Luke 13:5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
I'd concern yourself with missing being on the right than irrelevant gotcha points with me or Finn.
I just want to say, Happy New Year. I don't post much here because I don't have a lot of spare time, but I do check in every now and then. Hope everyone finds their way in Christ as the New Year takes us on another trip around the sun. Eventually the ET doctrine will be left in the dust bin of history and those who taught it will wonder how they totally missed the light of God's love.
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