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Vizio: You call God's spirit the holy spirit. Is the Holy spirit God's spirit, but called an own person in the trinity? Why does The holy spirit has it's own will from God if it's God's spirit? The holy spirit- He has a will (1 Cor 12:11)
This, in context, is speaking of G-d's own Spirit and it directs people as G-d wills...As no one can see G-d and live...
It's not just God's spirit. He is a separate person. He is what a person is--someone that is able to think, has a will, can be offended, etc. It's not just God's personality, or God's spirit.
I'm not sure where you got that. I just preached through a section of Acts 16 (16:6-10) where the text calls him the "Holy Spirit", "Spirit of Jesus", and "God". They are all considered the same person. Paul seems to call him (The Spirit) God.
Yet...The Father is also called God, as is Jesus. They are all God, but they are all 3 separate persons.
So, tell me if i have gotten this right now: The holy spirit is an own person, but is God's spirit, both have their own will. And what is meant by spirit ? Is it the same meant by spirit in that he is God's spirit, as in spirit in "The holy spirit" ?
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So, tell me if i have gotten this right now: The holy spirit is an own person, but is God's spirit, both have their own will. And what is meant by spirit ? Is it the same meant by spirit in that he is God's spirit, as in spirit in "The holy spirit" ?
It is God's means of communicating acting and reacting with creation. It is not a conscious entiry/person. That comes from paganism.
Scripture says otherwise. An unconscious force does not get offended, or have a will.
Allegory just like "sin crouching at the door". Sin is not a person who can crouch.
NAS Galatians 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached[/i] the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations shall be blessed in you. (Emphasis added)
Scripture is said to be “foreseeing” or as other translations render it, “seeing before the event” (BBE), “anticipated” (MO), “saw in advance” (NAB), preaching and “saying” things. Obviously scripture is not a person. If we follow Trinitarian logic we would have to say that scripture is God. Of course we see this as just a figure of speech.
It wasn't taught or believed in the 1st century a later man made addition.
Trinity. The trinity of God is defined by the [Roman Catholic] Church as the belief that in God are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly and formally a biblical belief. The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of “person” and “nature” which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms so not appear in the Bible. In the N[ew]T[estament] the Father is “the God” (G[ree]k - ho theos), and Jesus is “the Son of God” (ho hyios tou theou). The Spirit is “the spirit of the God” or “the holy spirit,” in this context a synonymous term. Deity [in the Bible] is conceived not in the G[ree]k [philosophical term] of nature but rather as a level of being ... What is less clear about the Spirit [in the Bible] is His personal reality: often He is mentioned in language in which His personal reality is not explicit....The O[ld] T[estament], does not contain suggestions or foreshadowing of the trinity of persons. (e.a.)-Dictionary of the Bible, John McKenzie, S.J., (Society of Jesuits) 1965, pp. 899-900.
The majority of NT texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not some- one; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God. When a quasi-personal activity is ascribed to God’s spirit, e.g., speaking, hindering, desiring, dwelling (Acts 8.29; 16.7; Rom 8.9) one is not justified in concluding immediately that in these passages God’s spirit is regarded as a Person; the same expressions are used also in regard to rhetorically personified things or abstract ideas (see Rom 8.6; 7.17). Thus, the context of the phrase ‘blasphemy against the spirit’ (Mt 11.31; Lk 11.20, shows that reference is being made to the power of God....The Apologists spoke too haltingly of the Spirit; with a measure of anticipation, [of the Trinity doctrine to be introduced later] one might say too impersonally.-New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XIII, p. 575; Vol. XIV, p. 296.
[CENTER][CENTER]We Have already seen (s. 22) that the earliest Hebrew conception of the Spirit of Yahweh (Jehovah ) was related to the impersonal conceptions of primitive dynamism, not as a general power or quality ... but as a force that comes suddenly and inexplicably upon particular individuals at particular times. ... Here the Spirit is clearly an activity or power of Yahweh ... When associated with Yahweh, as with a human person (s. 47), the ruah ( Hebrew for Spirit) is an emanating force, an active extension of his personality.” ... “ In general the Spirit of God in the Old Testament means his power and active influence in the world.” ..., Paul’s idea is closer to the Hebrew and early Christian conception of the active power of God, now identified with the influence and activity of Jesus.” - An Outline of Biblical Theology, pg 74-77, Millar Burrows, Winkley Professor of Biblical Theology Yale University Divinity School. (Emphasis added)
[CENTER][CENTER][color=black]The idea of the Holy Spirit, of the Spirit of God, was derived from Judaism, and it was generally believed among the early Christians that the Spirit was especially active in the Christian church. They did not speculate about the nature of the Spirit or about its relation to God and Christ. They commonly thought of it not as an individual being or person but simply as the divine power working in the world and particularly in the church....Apparently he was usually thought of in the early days as a mere divine power or influence. Often the term was employed simply to express the presence of God among his people. As time passed the tendency grew to think of him in personal terms, as the Father and Son were thought of...by the fourth century the idea of the Spirit as a separate person was practically universal. Arthur Chusman McGiffert, A History of Christian Thought, London, New York, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1954, pp. 111, 127.(Emphasis added)
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Everyone has a conscience of right and wrong, however, the Holy Spirit confirms the existence of God. You will 'know' he exists, your guilt will be gone, and it will feel like a weight is lifted from you. Like seeing the world with new eyes/better perspective.
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