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View Poll Results: As a Christian, what are your views on evolution?
Evolution is a secular theory put forth to replace the creation account in the Bible 15 19.74%
There is some scientific evidence to support evolution 4 5.26%
Evolution is nothing more than adaptation, that is, the God given ability for life to change/adapt to its environment 24 31.58%
I believe in most/all of the evolution theory 33 43.42%
Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-10-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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Yes.

The bible itself evolved from a collection of ancient stories, into dogma, into a rationale for the mass murder of unbelievers.

In its current state of "evilution" the bible is used to encourage ignorance, discriminate against gays, women, atheists and anyone else who doesn't walk the fundamentalist walk.
This is the most immature, pointless post I have ever seen.

I asked you a simple question and because you know the answer does not support your views, you deflected in order to avoid answering the question.

 
Old 04-10-2014, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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And there is your answer. It took an intelligent individual to set up a test to make something happen, that would and did not happen on it's own.

Oh and it is still bacteria. It didn't become something else. It was a change that allowed it to still be Bacteria. No Macro Evolution, just Micro which is allowable within kinds.

It is easy for anyone who can read to see your problem. Blind belief VS actually seeing what happened. A DESIGNED event not a random one AND no new Kind as it was still bacteria.

Still waiting for any scientific test that show small incremental changes that lead to a new Kind/Species not just a change with in the Kind/Species. Man has done that to dogs for ages and with all the variation they are still ............ dogs. Bacteria is still ............. bacteria.

Score one for the Bible.
Yes, and monkeys, lemurs, gorillas, orangutans, chimps and humans are primates, ...Are you saying that humans are the same as monkeys, lemurs, gorillas, orangutans and chimps because we are primates?
 
Old 04-10-2014, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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This is the most immature, pointless post I have ever seen.

I asked you a simple question and because you know the answer does not support your views, you deflected in order to avoid answering the question.
I should be ashamed of myself.

Or maybe you didn't get the point.

 
Old 04-10-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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Still waiting for any scientific test that show small incremental changes that lead to a new Kind/Species not just a change with in the Kind/Species. Man has done that to dogs for ages and with all the variation they are still ............ dogs. Bacteria is still ............. bacteria.
And we're still waiting for those "tests" that you yourself claim exist, and which you yourself brought up.

Looks like we're going to be waiting a while, folks.
 
Old 04-10-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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I agree with option1: 'Evolution is a secular theory put forth to replace the creation account in the Bible'. And at 2 Timothy 4:3,4, The Bible reveals how evolution became so popular, saying: "There will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories." Although evolution is usually presented in scientific language, it is actually a religious doctrine. It teaches a philosophy of life and an attitude toward God who's beliefs are subtly attractive to our selfish, independent tendencies. Many who believe in evolution say that they also believe in God. However, they feel free to think of God as one who has not created things, does not intervene in man’s affairs, and will not judge people. It is an irresponsible creed that tickles the ear.

Proponents of evolution are often motivated, not by fact, but by "their own desire"—perhaps, to be accepted by a scientific community in which evolution is orthodox doctrine. Professor of biochemistry Michael Behe, who has spent most of his life studying the complex internal functions of living cells, explained that those who teach the evolution of cell structure have no basis for their claims. "Molecular evolution is not based on scientific authority," he wrote. "There is no publication in the scientific literature—in prestigious journals, specialty journals, or books—that describes how molecular evolution of any real, complex, biochemical system either did occur or even might have occurred. . . . The assertion of Darwinian molecular evolution is merely bluster." But evolutionists who lack explanations still preach their doctrine very loudly as if it were gospel. Behe explains: "Many people, including many important and well-respected scientists, just don’t want there to be anything beyond nature." Imo, Humans desire to envision themselves as the ultimate intelligent authority.
The same Dr. Michael Behe who claims that astrology has made valuable contributions to science? Yeah, he was given FIFTY-SIX peer reviewed scientific papers on evolution at the Dover trial and just simply refused to read them. He didn't even look at them. He just said, "these can't be true, because they just can't," and brushed them off. Needless to say, Dr. Behe and the rest of the Intelligent Design-heads were issued a stern losing judgement, (from a judge who himself is a born again, church-attending Christian).

And just FYI, 2nd Peter, which you quoted here, was forged. Virtually no New Testament scholar accepts that it was written by Peter, for a fairly long list of reasons.
 
Old 04-10-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The same Dr. Michael Behe who claims that astrology has made valuable contributions to science? Yeah, he was given FIFTY-SIX peer reviewed scientific papers on evolution at the Dover trial and just simply refused to read them. He didn't even look at them. He just said, "these can't be true, because they just can't," and brushed them off. Needless to say, Dr. Behe and the rest of the Intelligent Design-heads were issued a stern losing judgement, (from a judge who himself is a born again, church-attending Christian).

And just FYI, 2nd Peter, which you quoted here, was forged. Virtually no New Testament scholar accepts that it was written by Peter, for a fairly long list of reasons.
Good post.

Not that truth matters to some...
 
Old 04-10-2014, 03:22 PM
 
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Good post.

Not that truth matters to some...
Indeed it doesn't. And it won't...not so long as the promise of some sort of wonderful life after death and vindication for life's pain is being dangled.

And that's why these threads will never, ever have a resolution. Facts and reality simply can not override such deep fears and deep hopes, even if they're based on sand.
 
Old 04-10-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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Yes, and monkeys, lemurs, gorillas, orangutans, chimps and humans are primates, ...Are you saying that humans are the same as monkeys, lemurs, gorillas, orangutans and chimps because we are primates?
They are vastly different.

Define primate. Now animals of any kind are not human, so I don't think so.

Dogs are dogs, Monkeys are monkeys.

Bacteria is ............ bacteria and it took an intelligent person to design the test, and to create the modified Bacteria.

Yep, supports creation.
 
Old 04-10-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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And we're still waiting for those "tests" that you yourself claim exist, and which you yourself brought up.

Looks like we're going to be waiting a while, folks.
Oh no it is coming ................... just waiting to see how long you guys can get a way with NO proof for your side. Come one just ONE test?

You can do it, can't you.

Obviously you have studied it to such a depth you must know of hundreds.
 
Old 04-10-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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They are vastly different.

Define primate. Now animals of any kind are not human, so I don't think so.

Dogs are dogs, Monkeys are monkeys.

Bacteria is ............ bacteria and it took an intelligent person to design the test, and to create the modified Bacteria.

Yep, supports creation.
No, it supports that of all the potential survival systems to develop, in us, it was the brain and intellect. (We're severely lacking on other fronts - hearing is meh, eyesight is pretty good but no night vision, sense of smell is quite sub-par, flimsy "claws," bad outer covering, requirement of quite a few calories per day to survive and in particular, to keep the brain functioning up to survival standards).

Yes, it takes an intelligent person to design the test. It doesn't take any mystical woo-woo behind it. It takes a human, whose greatest survival skill is intellect. And indeed, we DO have proof of the humans designing, and executing, the tests.
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