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Old 04-10-2014, 12:44 PM
 
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Hmm... This seems inherently contradictory to me. Interpretation is subjective, so if there is only one path, how can it be found via interpretation?

Perception of god is also subjective, so wouldn't knowing what's godly and not also be individually variable?
Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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John 14:6



Not a way, a possible way, or an option, but he said "the" way
The guy who wrote that was wrong.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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You may be struggling with taking a step onto your path but Jesus teachings of love and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and what is written in your heart will eventually bring you the peace you are seeking.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:38 PM
 
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The guy who wrote that was wrong.
Because you were there right?

Tell us what was said then.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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Lisa, first let me say I mean no offense by my first words. But, see, I don't understand your reaction to finding the truth [others have said pretty much what you're saying too]. What do I mean by that? I too discovered the truth about the tithe and, and the Pentecostal teachings. Did I get upset? No, I was very thankful to know the truth.

Did I feel like I had been lied to? Yes, by men, but not by God. Also I didn't blame God for it; He's the one who said, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."
Mshipmate, I understand your point, really. And I'm also now glad to know the truth about the things I had been taught. But if you've been indoctrinated all your life (or for a good chunk of it) with the doctrines of your religion and you suddenly realize it was all a lie, it can be difficult at first to separate God from those doctrines in your own mind. It can be intense having the rug pulled out from under you like that. There's a mourning process that some of us have to go through. Fear, anger, confusion, a desire to protect oneself from being duped again ... I'm sure those aren't abnormal responses.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Because you were there right?

Tell us what was said then.
Christ said "I am one of the ways to the Creator's house."

But, as you can plainly see - he was misquoted by the anonymous scribe. But let's give the poor ******* a break. It's tough being accurate when you're scribbling on parchment with a feather. And it's quite possible that Christ mumbled, or had a lisp - making errors in transcription completely understandable.

Glad I could help.

ETA: Apparently, sch-muck is a no-no word on CD.
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Old 04-10-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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I won't intentionally denigrate believers, but will denigrate what seems like stupidity.
Thank you. Keep in mind however that stupidity can also be in the mind of the beholder and ........he can be wrong. Just sayin.

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I do know the last passages were written about 2K BP. And I also know that it wasn't originally written in English. Consequently, literal interpretation the bible does seem ridiculous.
OK, what is 2K BP???

Now as to a a literal interpretation, two points.

1. The Bible is not totally literal, and the context helps us see when it is and when it isn't.
2. The Bible can interpret itself, it is men who make a mess of it.
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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Christianity is the only way to God ..... Faith in God is always hard but is a lot better than wasting your time on other belief systems that will not have God but will only give you a legalism to rules with will lead you nowhere ................ One way to get God attention is to pray for others and or help other to Jesus , as Jesus helps those who helps others ............... Some people have said God helps those who helps them selves , but it is more for helping others ...............See Heaven is agape selfless charity as God will bless the unblessable people , so God is looking for people who will help others ................Like people can pay tithes till the cows come home and never get ahead in the world , but if you help others along then God will move you forward and you would be in the program of God interest and not selfish looking to be the only one blessed which would be a pride

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Old 04-10-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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Ask yourself why you "want" to believe if you really don't.

I finally, after decades, had the nerve to ask that question of myself, and for me, the answer was that 1. I was terrified that hell might exist and 2. I couldn't bear the thought of nothing after death.

Once I realized these motivations, my fears, which I'd been hiding from myself, suddenly weren't as huge after all. I really think you should ask yourself why you want to believe. I think it is important.
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:53 PM
 
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Ask yourself why you "want" to believe if you really don't.

I finally, after decades, had the nerve to ask that question of myself, and for me, the answer was that 1. I was terrified that hell might exist and 2. I couldn't bear the thought of nothing after death.

Once I realized these motivations, my fears, which I'd been hiding from myself, suddenly weren't as huge after all. I really think you should ask yourself why you want to believe. I think it is important.
But those questions should have nothing to with knowing, loving or believing God.
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