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Originally Posted by sschulz
Hi everyone Kind of a provocative title isn't it? Yes Jesus is our savior but do most Christians feel that way really? I know Christ die for us and I mean completely died, body and spirit. If you press many Christians that will say that His body died but His spirit did not, it went somewhere and did something. So the savior is not Christ but his dead body? I don't think so. Jesus died for us. He emptied himself and came down as a human so He could die. If all He wanted to do was occupy a flesh body for a while He would not need to empty himself of his heavenly glory but if He was to die as we do He had to.
That means that when we die we die body and spirit. If we did not why oh why would we need to be resurrected? When Jesus died He was resurrected to shows us what God was going to do for us. As it says in 1 Timothy 6:16 that only Jesus, (Who had been resurrected) has immortality at this time. We will all die and than we will be resurrected to face Judgment. After judgment we will repent and then we will have immortality.
The immortal spirit is a myth. The scriptures say that the dead know nothing. The is no knowledge in the grave not even the knowledge of God. If we already are immoral why would we need to be resurrected(which means to be risen from the dead) if we do not really die? For those that say well our old body will be resurrected, why? flesh can not enter spiritual heaven. When we are resurrected we will be given a spiritual body. All the people who have die are still dead and will be resurrected when Jesus returns and resurrects his elect and then the rest of mankind. But this is good news because the dead know nothing they don't know they are dead. From their point of view they will die and no matter how long it has been they will be in front of Jesus.
Comments anyone?
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The logical answer is very simple in my opinion, Jesus did not die for anyone's sins.
Jesus simply preached his followers to worship ONE God only. The whole idea of trinity and blood was injected into Christian faith by the first council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
You do good, you get good. You do mistakes (and you will make mistakes), you repent and God forgives. God looks at your efforts to see how much have you tried to obey to his commands. God is merciful, he forgives if you try to do good.
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