Who created Jesus and the Holy Spirit? (church, preach, believe)
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God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth (John 1:3; Col. 1:16)
Jesus is God. He is the Creator. Therefore He is not a creature and He never had a beginning.
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Originally Posted by ll0OoO0ll
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Which one is right?
They are both right because since God created the heavens and the earth and Jesus is specifically stated to have created all that has been created, then Jesus Christ is God.
A syllogism (Greek: συλλογισμός – syllogismos – "conclusion," "inference") is a kind of logical argument that applies deductive reasoning to arrive at a conclusion based on two or more propositions that are asserted or assumed to be true. Syllogism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is a Syllogism:
1st Proposition: God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1).
2nd Proposition: Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth (John 1:3; Col. 1:16).
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus Christ is God.
Last edited by Michael Way; 04-27-2014 at 10:20 PM..
They are both right because since God created the heavens and the earth and Jesus is specifically stated to have created all that has been created, then Jesus Christ is God.
A syllogism (Greek: συλλογισμός – syllogismos – "conclusion," "inference") is a kind of logical argument that applies deductive reasoning to arrive at a conclusion based on two or more propositions that are asserted or assumed to be true. Syllogism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is a Syllogism:
1st Proposition: God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1).
2nd Proposition: Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth (John 1:3; Col. 1:16).
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus Christ is God.
But then who is 'God the Father' whom Jesus worshiped?
They are both right because since God created the heavens and the earth and Jesus is specifically stated to have created all that has been created, then Jesus Christ is God.
A syllogism (Greek: συλλογισμός – syllogismos – "conclusion," "inference") is a kind of logical argument that applies deductive reasoning to arrive at a conclusion based on two or more propositions that are asserted or assumed to be true. Syllogism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is a Syllogism:
1st Proposition: God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1).
2nd Proposition: Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth (John 1:3; Col. 1:16).
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus Christ is God.
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Originally Posted by ll0OoO0ll
But then who is 'God the Father' whom Jesus worshiped?
God the Father is the First 'Person' of the Trinity. He is the author and the planner of creation and salvation. God is One God in three 'Persons.' God is One in terms of His essence or nature, but there are three Persons within the Godhead. From the standpoint of His humanity Jesus worshiped God the Father. But as God, Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and with the Holy Spirit.
Last edited by Michael Way; 04-28-2014 at 02:15 PM..
God the Father is the First 'Person' of the Trinity. He is the author and the planner of creation and salvation. God is One God in three 'Persons.' God is One in terms of His essence or nature, but there are three Persons within the Godhead. From the standpoint of His humanity Jesus worshiped God the Father. But as God, Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and with the Holy Spirit.
I mean this is quite debatable but I definitely want to be respectful to your beliefs. Thanks for taking the time and answering.
God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth (John 1:3; Col. 1:16)
Jesus is God. He is the Creator. Therefore He is not a creature and He never had a beginning.
Excuse me . . . but what role did Mary play in His non-creation???? Or is this more of your "magic" and "precepts and doctrines of men" from your mentors?
Tracing mankind's religious family tree back to its base in ancient Babylon there was a triune or trinity with Nimrod.
As people migrated from ancient Babylon they took with them their religious myths and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That is why we see overlapping or similar false religious concepts or ideas on a global scale today even inside of Christendom which started in the 4th century with Constantine.
This claim is without any historical foundation whatsoever. It is instead a repetition of silly fictions invented in the 19th Century by Alexander Hislop, who compensated for his ignorance of history by making use of the boundless, baseless, and somewhat foul products of his overworked imagination.
Who created Jesus and the Holy Spirit? I would like to the Christian perspective on that.
While you may get all sorts of answers here, the only orthodox Christian answer, and the one accepted by the great majority of Christians in the world (including all Catholics, all Orthodox, all Lutherans, and most Anglicans) is that God the Son was not "created", but was instead eternally begotten of God the Father. Jesus Christ is God the Son incarnate, conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary. He is one inseparable person (or hypostasis in Greek), but has both a human nature and a divine nature. God the Son always existed, with no beginning in time; however, the incarnation of the Son as Jesus Christ is an event that took place in time.
God the Holy Spirit is neither created nor begotten, but instead proceeds from the Father through the Son as a single spiration and a single principle (see Session 6 of the Council of Florence, which reconciles the Greek and Latin differences on the use of "filioque" in the Nicene Creed: https://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM#8 .)
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, while three distinct persons, are nevertheless also the same single, undivided, eternal, uncreated and almighty God.
God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth (John 1:3; Col. 1:16)
Jesus is God. He is the Creator. Therefore He is not a creature and He never had a beginning.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Excuse me . . . but what role did Mary play in His non-creation???? Or is this more of your "magic" and "precepts and doctrines of men" from your mentors?
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Originally Posted by GreenWhiteBlue
God the Son always existed, with no beginning in time; however, the incarnation of the Son as Jesus Christ is an event that took place in time.
God the Holy Spirit is neither created nor begotten, but instead proceeds from the Father through the Son as a single spiration and a single principle (see Session 6 of the Council of Florence, which reconciles the Greek and Latin differences on the use of "filioque" in the Nicene Creed:
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, while three distinct persons, are nevertheless also the same single, undivided, eternal, uncreated and almighty God.
This is the "precepts and doctrines of men" I was expecting from Mike! It is ENTIRELY the product of ignorance about the role of consciousness in personhood. ::Sigh::
This is the "precepts and doctrines of men" I was expecting from Mike! It is ENTIRELY the product of ignorance about the role of consciousness in personhood. ::Sigh::
Sez you. [*yawn*]
Whether it matters to you or not (and who are you supposed to be, that what determines orthodoxy is your say-so?), this is the teaching of the church, which scripture itself tells us is the pillar and foundation of the truth. It seems much more reasonable to heed the teaching of the Body that has Christ as its Head, and that is the pillar and the foundation of the truth, than to pay any attention at all to anyone else's self-created and idiosyncratic opinions.
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Or is this more of your "magic" and "precepts and doctrines of men" from your mentors?
