Only those who do good works will enter the kingdom of God. (Epistles, church)
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John 6:27-28 "Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what was Jesus' answer?
Matthew 5:16 ?? .... nope
John 10:32 ?? ....... nope
Jesus' answer in John 6:29, was it these or sounded something like :
"He who acts in truth comes to the light so his deeds are revealed as works of God." ..... nope
"All those who do good to the resurrection of life." .... nope
"The man who believes in me shall do the works I do" .... nope
"The words I speak are not my own it is the Father who lives in me performing His works." ....... nope
Jesus said; Follow me. He said ; "He who hears you hears me." Why? Because the words are suppose to be His words. That is why he said; "As the Father sent me so I send you." .... nope
So what is the will of the Father ??
"Not everyone who cries to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father."
So what is the will of God... the "food that endures to eternal life" ??
John 6:27-28 "Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what was Jesus' answer?
Matthew 5:16 ?? .... nope
John 10:32 ?? ....... nope
Jesus' answer in John 6:29, was it these or sounded something like :
"He who acts in truth comes to the light so his deeds are revealed as works of God." ..... nope
"All those who do good to the resurrection of life." .... nope
"The man who believes in me shall do the works I do" .... nope
"The words I speak are not my own it is the Father who lives in me performing His works." ....... nope
Jesus said; Follow me. He said ; "He who hears you hears me." Why? Because the words are suppose to be His words. That is why he said; "As the Father sent me so I send you." .... nope
So what is the will of the Father ??
"Not everyone who cries to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father."
So what is the will of God... the "food that endures to eternal life" ??
answer: John 6:29
Very good, even though you misunderstand that to achieve the food that endures to eternal life is walking in the paths of the Lord as the son of man has commanded. All the scripture in the OP is in the paths of the son of man.
Walk in the ways of the son of man and you will be free.
John 6:27-28 "Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
what was Jesus' answer?
Matthew 5:16 ?? .... nope
John 10:32 ?? ....... nope
Jesus' answer in John 6:29, was it these or sounded something like :
"He who acts in truth comes to the light so his deeds are revealed as works of God." ..... nope
"All those who do good to the resurrection of life." .... nope
"The man who believes in me shall do the works I do" .... nope
"The words I speak are not my own it is the Father who lives in me performing His works." ....... nope
Jesus said; Follow me. He said ; "He who hears you hears me." Why? Because the words are suppose to be His words. That is why he said; "As the Father sent me so I send you." .... nope
So what is the will of the Father ??
"Not everyone who cries to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father."
So what is the will of God... the "food that endures to eternal life" ??
answer: John 6:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peacegiver
Very good, even though you misunderstand that to achieve the food that endures to eternal life is walking in the paths of the Lord as the son of man has commanded. All the scripture in the OP is in the paths of the son of man.
Walk in the ways of the son of man and you will be free.
If the son frees, you shall truly be free.
There is not much to misunderstand in Jesus' answer in John 6:29
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
and for those who are including their works as part (or all) a requirement other than John 6:29 will not enter heaven, for they are rejecting the "wedding clothes" as Jesus taught it in a parable in Matthew 22:11-14
There is not much to misunderstand in Jesus' answer in John 6:29
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
and for those who are including their works as part (or all) a requirement other than John 6:29 will not enter heaven, for they are rejecting the "wedding clothes" as Jesus taught it in a parable in Matthew 22:11-14
To believe is as Jesus said, to do the works He did. If you do the works He did you believe, if you don't do those works you, do not believe.
That is why ,"All those who do good to the resurrection of life"
To believe is as Jesus said, to do the works He did. If you do the works He did you believe, if you don't do those works you, do not believe.
That is why ,"All those who do good to the resurrection of life"
Hebrews 11:6
"And withoutfaith it is impossible to please God, .. " ---- "those who do good" do so because of faith.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peacegiver
The wedding clothes are the words for the works.
As long as you understand that it was customary in Jesus' day for the host to provide wedding clothes for the guests without cost. Thus the man that was not allowed in was rejecting the proper clothes (Jesus' works) provided by God and instead was attempting to enter in using his own clothes (works).
The message you're speaking is contrary to what Jesus said will occur to one who relies on their own "wedding clothes" in Matthew 22:11-14
First what Jesus and Paul both stated we are saved by Grace. Not works or the law, but of Faith alone. This does not mean works are not important, of course they are and anyone who says otherwise is dead spiritually (Faith without Works is Dead), but Works are not the way to obtain Salvation.
But.... Let's just pretend for the sake of argument that you are correct. What ''works'' are you referring to? Just good deeds in general? Or following the Law of Moses?
If the former than that would render God's love to be heresey. That would be like a parent telling their kids ''I only love you if you do these things''. Does that make sense? No, God's love is unconditional just like a parent's love for their children. If the latter, meaning Works of The Law of Moses, then you are trying to live an impossible life and doomed for failure. Many aspects of The Law are outdated and do not apply to our world today, if you are wearing mixed fabrics than you have already broken the law and have failed, if you have Children and they have ever sworn at you in their teenage years (and they ALL do) than you must put them to death, as commanded by the Law . You must make a sacrifice as you are denying that Jesus fulfilled The Law.
Grace saves, it's that simple. But works are still one of the Fundamentals of being a Christian, however it is not the road to salvation. That is the road to legalism.
Hebrews 11:6
"And withoutfaith it is impossible to please God, .. " ---- "those who do good" do so because of faith.
As long as you understand that it was customary in Jesus' day for the host to provide wedding clothes for the guests without cost. Thus the man that was not allowed in was rejecting the proper clothes (Jesus' works) provided by God and instead was attempting to enter in using his own clothes (works).
The message you're speaking is contrary to what Jesus said will occur to one who relies on their own "wedding clothes" in Matthew 22:11-14
Nope,
Matthew 22: 11 “When the king came in to inspect the guests he caught sight there of a man not clothed with a marriage garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Fellow, how did you get in here not having on a marriage garment?’ He was rendered speechless. 13 Then the king said to his servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and throw him out into the darkness outside. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.’
He had to have it on before he came in. It wasn't given to him when he wasn't there.
NIV Colossians 3:10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
First what Jesus and Paul both stated we are saved by Grace. Not works or the law, but of Faith alone. This does not mean works are not important, of course they are and anyone who says otherwise is dead spiritually (Faith without Works is Dead), but Works are not the way to obtain Salvation.
But.... Let's just pretend for the sake of argument that you are correct. What ''works'' are you referring to? Just good deeds in general? Or following the Law of Moses?
If the former than that would render God's love to be heresey. That would be like a parent telling their kids ''I only love you if you do these things''. Does that make sense? No, God's love is unconditional just like a parent's love for their children. If the latter, meaning Works of The Law of Moses, then you are trying to live an impossible life and doomed for failure. Many aspects of The Law are outdated and do not apply to our world today, if you are wearing mixed fabrics than you have already broken the law and have failed, if you have Children and they have ever sworn at you in their teenage years (and they ALL do) than you must put them to death, as commanded by the Law . You must make a sacrifice as you are denying that Jesus fulfilled The Law.
Grace saves, it's that simple. But works are still one of the Fundamentals of being a Christian, however it is not the road to salvation. That is the road to legalism.
If you do not know what the works (Plural, not just one) that follow faith are, you are in trouble.
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