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1 John 5:7 There are three that bare record in heaven, the Father, the the word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost, and these three are (ONE).
The Bible clearly tells us the three are separate, yet it requires all three to = one God.
That is the English translated version but that is not exactly what it says.
Do you believe the bible when it says there is one God..the Father and one Lord.. Jesus? It says ONE God..and it even tells you who that ONE GOD is..the Father. You either believe that or you don`t. It doesn`t say One God ..who is the father and the son. Do you believe the bible when it says there is one mediator between that God (the Father) and man? The old testament is very clear...the Lord Jehovah..created all things..again the bible tells you who the Lord is...Jesus. Do you believe the bible when it says..... For there is ONE God, and ONE Mediator OF God and mankind, a MAN Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5). "...there is ONE God, the FATHER..." (I Cor. 8:6) Does it say Jesus and the Father? NO..it says ONE GOD and who does it say THAT God is....the Father. Does it say Jesus and the Father make up God? NO it certainly does not. It tells you plain and simple who the ALMIGHTY is.
Does the scripture ever say that the Father was begotten or the firstborn of anything? NO..it does not. The Almighty does the begotten. Does it say that Jesus was begotten? It sure does.... "Who rescues us out of the jurisdiction of Darkness, and transports us into the kingdom of the SON OF HIS LOVE, in Whom we are having the deliverance, the pardon of sins, Who is the Image of the invisible God, FIRSTBORN of every creature..." (Col. 1:13-15).
Do you believe this scripture about Jesus?
"The BEGINNING of the creation of God" (Rev. 3:14 JKV)..
"Nor Jesus said to him, Why are you terming Me good? No one is good except ONE, GOD" (Mark 10:18).
You say Jesus has to be part of a Godhead because it says he created everything and to you that means he also created himself. But the bible is very clear that Jesus was begotten..the first born of all creation.... Do you believe that?
As I`ve said before..you either believe God`s word or you believe man`s teaching (the church). No need to try and read between lines and try to make Jesus the same as the Father. Jesus has the title of God because the Father gave it to him...the Father gave him ALL things. Jesus is not the Almighty Father..or 3 in one or any of that. He is what the bible says he is. First of The Father`s creation ( not in the way man was created by the way) He came out from the Father. The Father through Jesus created everything. We can`t know all there is to know about God and his ways. We are but mere humans with limited intelligence. We can`t fully know how it all started..it is beyond our reasoning until God shows us. But we do know what he tells us. He bogot Jesus and Jesus became the means by which everything was created. He created satan and satan is the means by which men are tempted and deceived.
1 John 5:7 There are three that bare record in heaven, the Father, the the word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost, and these three are (ONE).
The Bible clearly tells us the three are separate, yet it requires all three to = one God.
you got that right. strong opposing feelings in the churches on this one.
some do some dont.
safe bet jesus was the son of god for sure. but the next step is saying he replaces the father.
for me that is a big step. but i know some wonderful christians that believe it. i know catholics friends and family that say if jesus is god then mother mary has to be divinity too.
and so forth and so on.
[quote=ShanaBrown;5900017]Well I know what you believe. Yet the God of the Old Testament said He make all things (ALONE) and (BY HIMSELF).
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What do you know I believe, Campbell?
I don't see a conflict because I believe that God the Father made all things throughJesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh and all things came into being through Him. He is the exact image of the invisible God. God the Father is the source of all, the originator of all. I that I also know the reasons for what I believe
Again, God the Father made all things through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh and all things came into being through Him. He is the exact image of the invisible God. God the Father is the source of all, the originator of all.
Again, I believe that God the Father made all things throughJesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh and all things came into being through Him. He is the exact image of the invisible God. God the Father is the source of all, the originator of all.
Source: The Scriptures.
Yes, I do. Do you believe that it is accurate, Campbell?
Again, God the Father made all things throughJesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh and all things came into being through Him. He is the exact image of the invisible God. God the Father is the source of all, the originator of all.
Jesus created all things. Isaiah 44 says I the Lord created all things...well who is Lord? Who does the scripture say he is... "For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, nevertheless for US there is ONE God, the FATHER, out of Whom ALLIS, and we for Him, and ONELORD, JESUS CHRIST, through Whom all is, and we through Him" (I Cor. 8:5-6).
Source: The Christian scriptures. God bless.
1. SO, CAN YOU AGREE AND CONFIRM THE FATHERS OWN WORDS IN EXODUS? THAT HE MADE ALL THINGS (ALONE) AND (BY HIMSELF).
2. OR, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE FATHERS STATEMENT IS INCORRECT? BECAUSE IF JESUS WAS REALLY HELPING HIM, THEN THE FATHER IN TRUTH DID NOT MAKE ALL THINGS (ALONE) AND (BY HIMSELF)?
WORDS MEAN SOMETHING. Which number do you believe? 1. or 2.
1. SO, CAN YOU AGREE AND CONFIRM THE FATHERS OWN WORDS IN EXODUS? THAT HE MADE ALL THINGS (ALONE) AND (BY HIMSELF).
2. OR, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE FATHERS STATEMENT IS INCORRECT? BECAUSE IF JESUS WAS REALLY HELPING HIM, THEN THE FATHER IN TRUTH DID NOT MAKE ALL THINGS (ALONE) AND (BY HIMSELF)?
WORDS MEAN SOMETHING. Which number do you believe? 1. or 2.
I thought Jesus didn't exist until God made him out of his own rib?
That is the English translated version but that is not exactly what it says.
Do you believe the bible when it says there is one God..the Father and one Lord.. Jesus? It says ONE God..and it even tells you who that ONE GOD is..the Father. You either believe that or you don`t. It doesn`t say One God ..who is the father and the son. Do you believe the bible when it says there is one mediator between that God (the Father) and man? The old testament is very clear...the Lord Jehovah..created all things..again the bible tells you who the Lord is...Jesus. Do you believe the bible when it says..... For there is ONE God, and ONE Mediator OF God and mankind, a MAN Christ Jesus..." (I Tim. 2:5). "...there is ONE God, the FATHER..." (I Cor. 8:6) Does it say Jesus and the Father? NO..it says ONE GOD and who does it say THAT God is....the Father. Does it say Jesus and the Father make up God? NO it certainly does not. It tells you plain and simple who the ALMIGHTY is.
Does the scripture ever say that the Father was begotten or the firstborn of anything? NO..it does not. The Almighty does the begotten. Does it say that Jesus was begotten? It sure does.... "Who rescues us out of the jurisdiction of Darkness, and transports us into the kingdom of the SON OF HIS LOVE, in Whom we are having the deliverance, the pardon of sins, Who is the Image of the invisible God, FIRSTBORN of every creature..." (Col. 1:13-15).
Do you believe this scripture about Jesus?
"The BEGINNING of the creation of God" (Rev. 3:14 JKV)..
"Nor Jesus said to him, Why are you terming Me good? No one is good except ONE, GOD" (Mark 10:18).
You say Jesus has to be part of a Godhead because it says he created everything and to you that means he also created himself. But the bible is very clear that Jesus was begotten..the first born of all creation.... Do you believe that?
As I`ve said before..you either believe God`s word or you believe man`s teaching (the church). No need to try and read between lines and try to make Jesus the same as the Father. Jesus has the title of God because the Father gave it to him...the Father gave him ALL things. Jesus is not the Almighty Father..or 3 in one or any of that. He is what the bible says he is. First of The Father`s creation ( not in the way man was created by the way) He came out from the Father. The Father through Jesus created everything. We can`t know all there is to know about God and his ways. We are but mere humans with limited intelligence. We can`t fully know how it all started..it is beyond our reasoning until God shows us. But we do know what he tells us. He bogot Jesus and Jesus became the means by which everything was created. He created satan and satan is the means by which men are tempted and deceived.
Come out of her my people.
Well I believe Scripture, yet I know how the JWs have played with it. You always speak of Jesus being the first born as if he was a created being, yet somehow you forget to mention that in the same chapter it mentions that Jesus was the first born from the dead. And the reason you forget to mention that part, is because you want to foster the false belief that He was created by the Father. Jesus was the first born when he was raised from the dead, and to suggest that He was a created being is a departure from Gods Word. That belief comes from the teachings of men, but you cannot prove that belief by Scripture. The Father said He created all things (ALONE) and (BY HIMSELF). I agree with that. You say you agree with that, but then on a side note you will say, well, He really had Jesus helping Him. Which makes the Father a liar. If Jesus and the Father do not = One God, then there is no way the Fathers statement found in Exodus can be truthful. Either Jesus and the Father = One God, or the Father is not speaking the truth in Exodus. You cant have it both ways. Either the Father and Jesus = One God and together were involoved in creation, or they are seperate beings, and the Father was lieing when he said He made all things (ALONE) and (BY HIMSELF), when in reality, Jesus was really helping Him.
Jesus + Father + Holy Spirit = 3 gods or Jesus/3 + Father/3 + Holy spirit/3 = 1 god.
Which is it? Polytheism or each part only being 1/3 of a god?
In the mainline church, the latter
In Mormons, the former
In Deists and their offshots, neither - Jesus is not God
In JW, Not sure
I think what we have is a human construct to define, in human terms, something incomprehensible. It became a significant question during the early chuch because of groups [the Arian controversy] claiming Jesus was not God. A fundamental schism in the early church.
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