Christians celebrate ALLl the Pagan Holidays but none from the Holy Bible, why? (churches, preacher)
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On the contrary. The New Testament epistles are letters to the church and contain the doctrines and principles which apply to the dispensation of the Church. As well, the Old Testament is also valuable. It not only tells us of our origins, and the history of God's dealings with Israel and the nations, but you cannot truly understand the New Testament apart from the Old Testament. But the Church is not under the Mosaic Law and the holy days which were given to Israel do not apply to the Church.
And you are not to judge (read condemn) anyone regarding the Sabbath and other holy days as Paul stated in Colossians 2:16. It's none of your business.
Furthermore, who are you to accuse others of attempting to justify their sins?
I agree with you Mike. OneFormula, as you may know, Paul was shown by God things that we will never see nor understand until we reach the other side. One of those things, was that there has been a spiritual fulfillment in Jesus. Paul explained these things in Collosians 2, and he said, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" We are to live in the Spirit in these days, not the flesh, as they had to do in the Old Testament. God had to guide them with sacrifices and Holy Days so that they could see a direction. When we are living in the Spirit, we are no longer obligated to subject our flesh to follow a rule or sacrifice pertaining to the OT things of God. We now have the Spirit that can help us disect the MEANING behind what God was pointing to in the Old Testament.
The Feast Days of the Old Testament are a wealth of knowledge if we study them and apply them to our lives in the way that helps us to further our personal sanctification, but to think that observing those Days as the Hebrews did has any power to bring about a desired result, is a mistake. The only result that comes from having to observe the Feast Days in the OT way is a resultant bondage to rules. This places us in the position of Hagar and Ishmael, and we become Ishmaelites when we bow to rules. Paul discussed this in Galatians 4:21-31: "Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar. For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free."
OneFormula, I don't believe that you will find many on this forum that have studied the Fesat Days as I have, and have come to know the true Spiritual meaning behind them, but you also won't find me observing those days in the ways that the Hebrews of old did, because the Spiritual meaning behind those days cannot be translated into our lives by a physical jesture. As a for instance, I can compare the Feast of Pentecost. We can celebrate that day, 50 days after the Resurrection, but the Feast was fulfilled by the partial outpouring of the Spirit on the Apostles 1981 years ago. The Day reminds us of that event, and we can receive the Spirit in a similar manner, but it won't add to the event that occurred that day. It is a past event. Going to Jerusalem as God commanded the OT Hebrews 3 times a year will have absolutely no effect. Also, Tabernacles is yet for the future, but building a booth will do nothing to our person, nor will it bring the Day to fulfillment.
I did not say that the Old Testament is invalid. I said that the Mosaic Law and the holy days which were given to Israel do not apply to the church. Again, God's program for Israel is different than God's program for the Church. We live in the dispensation of the Church, not in the age of Israel. And the Church is not Israel. Not everything in the Bible pertains to everyone.
The humanity of Jesus was born, lived, died, and was resurrected during the age of Israel. The dispensation of the Church had not yet started.
Listen, if you are saying it doesn't apply, you are saying it's INVALID.
WHO is this "church" you speak of? It was mandated for the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, ALL OF THEM
Majority of Christians have no clue of the High Holy Days in The Holy Bible, but yet they celebrate every single one of the Heathenistic traditional days but play it down as "goofy traditions that mean nothing"...but if they mean nothing, why do "christians" spend so much money preparing for these pagan days? but not one penny is spent towards the Holy Days that Yeshua kept and told us to keep.
I pointed out already how most Christians don't keep the Sabbath.. but in addition to not keeping the Sabbath, the majority of Christians have no clue about The Feast of Purim, The Feast of Tabernacles, The Feast of First Fruits, etc..
Can any "Christian" in here explain this gross lack of understanding the difference between what is a "Holy Day" and what is not? When the Holy Days are to be observed? and why the traditions of Heathen "holidays" are not to be practiced, period?
"Christians"? Pagans? Let's talk about it.
While practicing Judaism, Jesus did celebrate those holidays--but then they were cut off at Jesus death( Matt 23:37-38) so they no longer were applicable except to Judaism who rejected the Messiah. One wouldn't continue in a place that rejects the Messiah.
Just about every celebration now is filled with pagan practices or founded by killing. Even the two celebrations to Jesus are filled with pagan practices. Products off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)
Gods word teaches---by the traditions of men, you have made the word of God invalid.
While practicing Judaism, Jesus did celebrate those holidays--but then they were cut off at Jesus death( Matt 23:37-38) so they no longer were applicable except to Judaism who rejected the Messiah. One wouldn't continue in a place that rejects the Messiah.
Just about every celebration now is filled with pagan practices or founded by killing. Even the two celebrations to Jesus are filled with pagan practices. Products off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)
NO..NO..NO...WRONG..WRONG..WRONG
YOU don't get a pass!!!...where do you people get this from...WE ALL WILL BE JUDGED!!!
GOD Laws are not done away with....THIS is what's going to get a LOT of "christians" destroyed.
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Gods word teaches---by the traditions of men, you have made the word of God invalid.
^^^And this was not a GOOD thing do as the majority of christians misinterpret this very scripture. GOD is going to judge us for making his word INVALID...understand?!! by following Pagan witchcraft customs and traditions like Halloween and Christmas...Nimrod worship
Listen, if you are saying it doesn't apply, you are saying it's INVALID.
WHO is this "church" you speak of? It was mandated for the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, ALL OF THEM
There is more to the Books of the Old Testament than the Mosaic Law.
The Mosaic Law served it's purpose in pointing the way to Christ. Jesus fulfilled the Law and the church is not under the Law.
John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
Galatian 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24] So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25] But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian (the Mosaic Law), 26] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
Now you have it straight from the mouth of Paul that the church is not under the Mosaic Law.
How can you not know who and what the Church is? The first mention of the New Testament church was made by Jesus in Matthew 16:18. It was future tense. The New Testament church had not yet come into being.
Matthew 16:18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
The church is a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). The Church is the body of believers - both Jew and Gentile who in this present dispensation are entered into union with Christ by means of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and is therefore called the body of Christ. In the dispensation of the Church there is neither Jew or Gentile (Galatians 3:27-28; Colossians 3:11). There is Church - a new creation which did not exist before the day of Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
The Church is not under the Mosaic Law, it is under the Law of Christ(Galatians 6:2) which is the principle of love as per Galatians 5:14 and John 13:34.
Last edited by Michael Way; 07-16-2014 at 02:32 PM..
Majority of Christians have no clue of the High Holy Days in The Holy Bible, but yet they celebrate every single one of the Heathenistic traditional days but play it down as "goofy traditions that mean nothing"...but if they mean nothing, why do "christians" spend so much money preparing for these pagan days? but not one penny is spent towards the Holy Days that Yeshua kept and told us to keep.
I pointed out already how most Christians don't keep the Sabbath.. but in addition to not keeping the Sabbath, the majority of Christians have no clue about The Feast of Purim, The Feast of Tabernacles, The Feast of First Fruits, etc..
Can any "Christian" in here explain this gross lack of understanding the difference between what is a "Holy Day" and what is not? When the Holy Days are to be observed? and why the traditions of Heathen "holidays" are not to be practiced, period?
"Christians"? Pagans? Let's talk about it.
Maybe it's because we're "Christians". We're not Jews. If you want to be shackled to the Law, you go ahead an do it. I'm glad that Jesus set me free, though.
Maybe it's because we're "Christians". We're not Jews. If you want to be shackled to the Law, you go ahead an do it. I'm glad that Jesus set me free, though.
And ye shall be judged accordingly. no escape.
So you say you are "Free" but can't explain what you are free from? the 10 commandments? righteousness? prosperity? good health? long life? because those are the things that come from following the LAW.
So what are you "free" from exactly? certainly not the judgement of sin? no escaping that one...
The Old covenant from the Israelites became obsolete and the sacrifice of bulls and goat and lambs and dove has ended and it would blaspheme Jesus if people sacrificed this to God .................The holy days of Christmas is a celebration of the birth of the Saviour in the earth ..................Does the world celebrate the birth of Lord Jesus Christ at Christmas..................Easter is the celebration of the Resurrection of the Saviour after the cross of Christ birthing God eternal judgment for Man to accept salvation ...................Thanksgiving is a celebration of worship to thank the Lord .............Does the world celebrate the resurrection of Jesus and the celebration of Thanksgiving to the Lord ?.............. These are Not pagan to Christians , only to people who knock these holidays and rob God of the worship of fortitude to God ............... Christians do not have a celebration of Halloween
Mike555, I see what you're "trying" to say but you just have it all wrong. so many misinterpretations I don't know where to begin. Only thing I can tell you is PRAY...LOL...because your understanding is WAY OFF...
FYI - Mosaic Law can still be practiced under this current system. none of the commandments have been tampered with by this Roman Catholic system in America AND can still be followed. if it were not so, why then are there churches on every corner preaching the 10 COMMANDMENTS?!!!
Christian hypocrites have no idea that the Laws and Commandments are not done away with , but would prefer to follow a wicked system in hopes that Yeshua will wash away their sins as if you have no control over your actions and Yeshua will forgive you for that. God Forbid.
The Old covenant from the Israelites became obsolete and the sacrifice of bulls and goat and lambs and dove has ended and it would blaspheme Jesus if people sacrificed this to God .................The holy days of Christmas is a celebration of the birth of the Saviour in the earth ..................Does the world celebrate the birth of Lord Jesus Christ at Christmas..................Easter is the celebration of the Resurrection of the Saviour after the cross of Christ birthing God eternal judgment for Man to accept salvation ...................Thanksgiving is a celebration of worship to thank the Lord .............Does the world celebrate the resurrection of Jesus and the celebration of Thanksgiving to the Lord ?.............. These are Not pagan to Christians , only to people who knock these holidays and rob God of the worship of fortitude to God ............... Christians do not have a celebration of Halloween
Every sentence is wrong...LOL
and Christians dress up for Halloween MORE than any other religion on the planet. FACT.
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