The Notion of Trinity (purification, Sodom, women, dogma)
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At the risk of encouraging replacement theology I feel compelled to share a belief that
God is not at all gender neutral but directs gender via His triune albeit Godhead mystery. The claim by a mix of christians, gentile/ jewish messianics and theologians
is a position that the Holy Spirit (Ruach Ha' Kodesh) wind/ breath has a female conno-
tation. The Greeks got it wrong in translation of hebrew she to "he" within a man con-
trolled influence. I believe Jesus (a he) is the image of God ™but yes God is spirit and
the question remains can His spirt be male gender? ..,.or a motherly conforter extension of Gods roles.?
At the risk of encouraging replacement theology I feel compelled to share a belief that
God is not at all gender neutral but directs gender via His triune albeit Godhead mystery. The claim by a mix of christians, gentile/ jewish messianics and theologians
is a position that the Holy Spirit (Ruach Ha' Kodesh) wind/ breath has a female conno-
tation. The Greeks got it wrong in translation of hebrew she to "he" within a man con-
trolled influence. I believe Jesus (a he) is the image of God ™but yes God is spirit and
the question remains can His spirt be male gender? ..,.or a motherly conforter extension of Gods roles.?
King James Bible
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
This thought has occurred to me also. But that is off topic. You should start a thread. I would love to give my thoughts on the subject.
If you want to read some very interesting thoughts by an actual textual critic, Daniel McClellan, go to thread 400,000 textual variants. No big deal. He is literally taking the OP apart on this and a few other cardinal doctrines, stating there is no shred of evidence to support the Trinity.
So Daniel's back, huh? I haven't seen him in over a year and a half. Yes, he is extremely well-read and always presents a very convincing argument. I used to be surprised to see how many people just brushed him off. He knows his stuff.
King James Bible
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
This thought has occurred to me also. But that is off topic. You should start a thread. I would love to give my thoughts on the subject.
One of the many groups of Gnostics had a very simple answer for this one: There is God the Father and there is also God the Mother. One of those groups actually went so far as to believe in a Trinity constituted of Father, Mother, Son. This Celestial Mother figure was not Mary mind you. To them, Mary was a mortal woman and not an object of reverence. This Celestial Mother was co-equal and co-eternal with the Father. Her Greek name was Sophia. If there is some sort of divine feminine figure that is part of Elohim (the Gods) in the Old Testament, then this passage would say "So the Gods created man in their own image, in the image of the Gods created he him, male and female created he them." And with Sophia as an already existent female prototype, this passage would make a ton more sense.
There were a lot of very interesting things in Gnostic belief, but they did not survive the purges of "heretics" by the Roman Empire.
Katzpur, while I believe in the Trinity, it is not a cardinal belief for me because there is so little textual evidence for it. If you want to read some very interesting thoughts by an actual textual critic, Daniel McClellan, go to thread 400,000 textual variants. No big deal. He is literally taking the OP apart on this and a few other cardinal doctrines, stating there is no shred of evidence to support the Trinity.
The few conservative, apologetic textual critics have to put spin on the extant manuscripts to make an attempt at protecting it. There are actually several manuscripts with different wording on the very portion that pinnacled writes about, but no translator has been willing to publish "older" document sources for fear of losing readership.
Ephesians 2:1-22 ESV / 4 helpful votes
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the (SPIRIT) that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the (BODY) and the (MIND), and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
This is before you are saved. Notice the trinity where the spirit is one that is not holy.
One thing I found to be absolutely gorgeous and profound is the saying the Old testament is a shadow of things to come. This implication. That future events will have The light to cast a shadow back in time. Wow.
Our coined word "Trinity' which closely resembles the first century coined word which was revealed by God is found in the Bible Colossians 2:9 is "Godhead"
KJV For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
G2320
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theoteôs (pronounced) ...theh-ot'-ace
Derives from the Greek word G2316; divinity (abstractly):—godhead.
and the Greek word (G2320) derived from the Greek word (G2316)
G2316 èåüò theos (pronounced) theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, the supreme Divinity;
by Hebraism very:—X exceeding, God
The Trinity \ Deity \ Godhead shown itself when Jesus was baptized: Matthew 3:16-17
the Trinity is not a "notion".
God has manifested in only 3 ways on this planet.
As Father. As Son. and as Holy Spirit.
hope this helps.
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this is a good assessment, but, can you please explain how God manifested as the Son, and at the Same time manifest as the Father?. thanks for your coming answer, in advance.
One thing I found to be absolutely gorgeous and profound is the saying the Old testament is a shadow of things to come. This implication. That future events will have The light to cast a shadow back in time. Wow.
RESPONSE:
Have you considered the obvious possibility that the writers of the later writings having knowledge of the earlier ones wrote their material to "fulfill" the older prophecies?
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