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Old 12-01-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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I choose to believe the Bible is inspired in its entirety.
Correct.
Translations and even copies in the original language can contain errors, but we have so many copies from so far back, that the main "errors" are seen to be spelling and do not impact teaching. The so-called contradictions are man's efforts to denigrate the Bible in favor of their own desires, and really show a lack of comprehension of scripture.

It is the Bible or man's faulty reasoning. History shows us the Bible is the best guide, especially modern history as the efforts of so called Rational man has shown tremendous irrationality.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:28 AM
 
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Not as official dogma, but privately some priests tell you a different story. Surprisingly whether all the mythology is true or not does not change anything for me and other Catholics. This is our cultural heritage and as such may be filled with exaggerations and myths.
Somehow it seems important to separate fact and fiction when building a belief system.

But I'd agree that many if not most Catholics are what are called "cultural Catholics." They just continue what their parents (or background) taught them. If one is born Catholic one stays Catholic. If one is born Protestant, one stays Protestant. Etc.

They frequently know little about Catholicism.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:36 AM
 
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Somehow it seems important to separate fact and fiction when building a belief system.

But I'd agree that many if not most Catholics are what are called "cultural Catholics." They just continue what their parents (or background) taught them. If one is born Catholic one stays Catholic. If one is born Protestant, one stays Protestant. Etc.

They frequently know little about Catholicism.
Yeah, the ones that are well versed in Catholicism tend to be very pious. Interestingly, the most famous Catholic apologists tend to be highly educated former Protestants. These guys are much better apologists than Catholics form the cradle.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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those things that inspire me are the inspirational???
btw it might be different for somebody else, in fact i am sure it will be
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Old 12-01-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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Correct.
Translations and even copies in the original language can contain errors, but we have so many copies from so far back, that the main "errors" are seen to be spelling and do not impact teaching. The so-called contradictions are man's efforts to denigrate the Bible in favor of their own desires, and really show a lack of comprehension of scripture.

It is the Bible or man's faulty reasoning. History shows us the Bible is the best guide, especially modern history as the efforts of so called Rational man has shown tremendous irrationality.
On the contrary, they do impact biblical teaching. The "virgin birth" and the physical resurrection of Christ are examples.

Of course one must question the credibility of Matthew and Luke in having the birth of Christ 10 year apart. And there is the business of Matthew having Jesus send for and ride two differentanimals of unequal size when entering Jerusalem so Matthew can claim fulfillment of a "prophecy" from the OT that he misinterpreted. Clearly, these impact teaching!
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Old 12-01-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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those things that inspire me are the inspirational???
btw it might be different for somebody else, in fact i am sure it will be

Biblical inspiration is the doctrine in Christian theology that the authors and editors of the Bible were led or influenced by God with the result that their writings may be designated in some sense the word of God.


Reference: Biblical inspiration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-01-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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On the contrary, they do impact biblical teaching. The "virgin birth" and the physical resurrection of Christ are examples.

Of course one must question the credibility of Matthew and Luke in having the birth of Christ 10 year apart. And there is the business of Matthew having Jesus send for and ride two differentanimals of unequal size when entering Jerusalem so Matthew can claim fulfillment of a "prophecy" from the OT that he misinterpreted. Clearly, these impact teaching!
It has easily been explained (Again and again and again and ...) and the explanations rejected by those who do not want to accept it.

Many want to claim the Bible is of no value so their values can be dominate. That itself fulfills prophecy.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:20 PM
 
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It has easily been explained (Again and again and again and ...) and the explanations rejected by those who do not want to accept it.

Many want to claim the Bible is of no value so their values can be dominate. That itself fulfills prophecy.
Yes. Quite a few people will reject explanations that are unfounded, and logically and historically untenable. I like to think that I am one of them.

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Old 12-01-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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Yes. Quite a few people will reject explanations that are unfounded, and logically and historically untenable. I like to think that I am one of them.
The Last line explains the problem for many.

The explanations are historically accurate, correct according to the original language meaning and application. Some can't accept being wrong.
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Old 12-01-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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I am glad that Jesus often spoke in proverbs as well as parables(so that which is spirit and life did not get into the wrong hands), and it would not in the slightest hinder me seeking the Lord through the scriptures if it was proven what is recorded in them were not actually real events. In saying that, in my former days as a fundamentalist it would have shaken my faith to the core.

There are many who have turned atheist that were bible fundamentalists, you can dismiss that as being they were never of you or whatever other excuse you want for them walking away from bible fundamentalism, if you ask me it was faith in the wrong thing, we were deceived into believing that which proceeds from the mouth of God is the bible,a grave error in my opinion. Scripture is a sign post that when opened up to us reveals Christ and further more reveals that Christ is in us(Col 1:17).

Scripture makes more sense to me now having forsaken my fundamentalist beliefs then they ever have.
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