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Jimmy realizes that, Dude, it is where the spilled blood is not an offering in appeasement of an angry God that he misses the disconnect in his line of reasoning.
My line of reasoning is based on Scripture, which says as much.
Peter has to redeem himself rather than face the truth of his own failure. The apostles fell apart and scattered after Jesus died. Perhaps they were unable to keep good company after that. They moved on. They did their best. They disagreed. They wrote scathing letters. They disliked the apostle wannabe Paul.
Our sins? He was referring to the sins or wrongdoing of the people closest to him. Jesus was tortured and murdered, not the men who ran away and denied him. The sin was the apostles.
What was Peter going to say? I abandoned him, and denied him? Peter has to make Jesus death more important than his life. It wasn't until Jesus died that Peter took stock and devoted himself fully to what Jesus represented. He ran, but he returned in hopes of redemption. Because, if he can be redeemed, so can others.
A good man sacrificed himself and failed. Rome crushed them. The Temple priests continued to require sacrifices. Rome crushed and wiped out everything.
You cannot separate Jesus from his every day reality.
Scripture says He died for the sins of the entire world, not just those around Him. John 3:16
Yes, scripture written afterJesus died. They were trying to absolve their own failings.
Our sins. John would have said your sins, not our sins. The word, our refers to the apostles failures.
The message gets diluted in the telling. Meanings get interpreted in different ways. Just like we are doing here.
What I would ask the fundamentalist Christians is this: If Jesus died to save you from the penalty of sin, why then are you still subject to sickness, death, and sorrow? If the penalty for sin is eternal separation from God, then Jesus would have to be eternally separated from the Father to pay that price. The penalty for sin is death and we are to follow Jesus in the spirit of FAITH through death. He came to show us both how to live and how to die. Nothing more, nothing less. Jesus came to set us free from fear, especially the fear of death.
Yes, scripture written afterJesus died. They were trying to absolve their own failings.
Our sins. John would have said your sins, not our sins. The word, our refers to the apostles failures.
The message gets diluted in the telling. Meanings get interpreted in different ways. Just like we are doing here.
No. "For God so loved the world..." That's not really up for interpretation.
No. "For God so loved the world..." That's not really up for interpretation.
Spoken after Jesus died.
If they really thought Jesus was the son of God, then they would have stepped up to the plate, and let the work continue. The group was beginning to fray with doubt and defectors. Jesus recognized this. They allowed him to be taken by Rome. They ran. They felt deep shame. Meh.. they were human. They were afraid. They protected themselves.
How do you live with that guilt? By minimizing your role in his arrest, torture, and murder.
It was their attempt to redeem themselves. Jesus became much more important to them after he died.
You are seriously grasping at straws here. You should raise the white flag.
how so?
they are only different because evangelicals CANNOT reconcile the two statements that directly contradict each other..
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