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Let me take it one step further, Pleroo;any examination of the fact that same sex attraction is not a choice and the consequences of demonizing that attraction such as a much higher suicide rate among gay teens should indicate that the demonization is not only unloving, but actively harmful.
If this is true then the church has got blood on its hands again.
There was a movie made a while back, "Prayers for Bobby" with Sigourney Weaver, the true story of a Christian mother who was convinced that homosexuality was a sin. When her son came out as gay, she didn't take it well, to say the least. She wanted him to be "healed" and to turn from his "sin". Her son was driven to suicide and, eventually, the mother saw how unloving her behavior toward her son had been, and she became an activist for the LGBT community.
I saw that movie when I was still a Christian, and I knew I would have acted much like the mother did. It was like looking in a mirror, and the image wasn't pretty. It was heart wrenching to become aware that my sincerely held beliefs were actually incredibly destructive to others. It was very much a turning point for me.
Regarding the question of the thread title, the answer becomes pretty clear: The ones who need to fight their feelings are those who have been taught by their religion that homosexuality is an abomination to God.
People can't come up with any reason why sex within a same gender marriage would be harmful or unloving, so they resort to the idea that God arbitrarily decided that homosexuality is a sin. But they also can't explain how such a thing could be offensive to God or create a problem for someone in their relationship to God or others. They resort to "the bible says so" when the few verses that are used as proof texts are either based on the translation of an obscure word, or reading their preconceived ideas into the passages. One has to wonder why, against all reason or spiritual sense, they feel the need to hang onto those preconceived ideas.
It is funny how these anti homosexual threads go quiet when such great challenging posts are made. I hope this post keeps being brought up to the last page.
Many prefer to drink the new age cool-aid as opposed to drinking what Jesus has to offer.
Fundamental Christianity essentially claims that Jesus is offering the opportunity to dismiss love as the basis for your relationship with God and your fellow human beings, and instead use a biased interpretation of a collection of old books as the foundation. I'll take new age cool-aid over that poison every time.
Fundamental Christianity essentially claims that Jesus is offering the opportunity to dismiss love as the basis for your relationship with God and your fellow human beings, and instead use a biased interpretation of a collection of old books as the foundation. I'll take new age cool-aid over that poison every time.
No, that is not what they are claiming.
You are free to drink as much cool-aid as you want, but you lose every time you abandon the topic and start harping against people you do not agree with, especially when you spice it up with false claims about their beliefs.
People can't come up with any reason why sex within a same gender marriage would be harmful or unloving, so they resort to the idea that God arbitrarily decided that homosexuality is a sin. But they also can't explain how such a thing could be offensive to God or create a problem for someone in their relationship to God or others. They resort to "the bible says so" when the few verses that are used as proof texts are either based on the translation of an obscure word, or reading their preconceived ideas into the passages. One has to wonder why, against all reason or spiritual sense, they feel the need to hang onto those preconceived ideas.
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Originally Posted by pcamps
It is funny how these anti homosexual threads go quiet when such great challenging posts are made. I hope this post keeps being brought up to the last page.
I honestly think this one makes an even more vitally important point:
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Let me take it one step further, Pleroo;any examination of the fact that same sex attraction is not a choice and the consequences of demonizing that attraction such as a much higher suicide rate among gay teens should indicate that the demonization is not only unloving, but actively harmful.
But I do not have high hopes that the posts will be responded to in any meaningful way.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Don't you think Genesis 1:22 would be difficult to achieve by homosexuality? If your father was homosexual, you wouldn't be a part of this conversation, would you?
Your statement is just silly. A close relative of mine has a homosexual father. And a heterosexual mother.
Both male and female homosexuals have biological children, and have always done so. I'm no mathematician, but my bet is that each of us - including you - has homosexuals in our direct ancestry.
If you think that marriage is only about producing children, and the deepest feelings of the marital partners don't count, well, I'm glad I'm not married to you.
I honestly think this one makes an even more vitally important point:
But I do not have high hopes that the posts will be responded to in any meaningful way.
Yes, an equally important point. How can nateswift's post be replied to other than conceding that the spirit of their judgement is not of God.
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If I have gay feelings, I must fight them?
