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How is it so apparent, when I specifically said God condemns such behavior?
Whats apparent is that you fail to understand how they got around it. They saw them as sub-human animals. After all the Bible was predominately written and compiled by anthropocentric barbaric men of the past who saw their relationship to the universe and their world in a self-centered patriarchal manner.
It's apparent that you are not even familiar with the origins of that bible or who it was written by.
The authors saw themselves as patriarchs ruling over nature, over other nations, over their families, over their slaves and over their animals. Just as women and slaves and children were regarded pretty much as chattel (property), so also were their animals.
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I do not care which books people hold in their hands, or which religion they claim to follow. Either you follow Christ, or you don't. If you torture people, you are not following Him.
But they were following him. This is what your religion teaches...no matter how horrific of a deed that you consciously do to anyone else, you are forgiven as long as you believe.
This is exactly what Steven Weinberg meant when he stated this:
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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BTW, there is no 'fundamental Bible', there is only the Bible.
It's a man made book filled with fundamental beliefs written by ignorant Iron Age pheasants.
The problem that the bible clutching fundamentalists is they are not willing to understand that many humans that are not Christian walk a path parallel to Jesus teachings or any other kind spiritual teacher.
The core of our soul is good so how can we not follow this path naturally? Humans are inherently good...sure there are some exceptions. However most are born inherently good and since we live in a very corrupted world a lot of people become corrupted along their path in life.
Christianity is fundamentalism in it's purest form. It teaches things that are just inherently wrong.
Christianity is fundamentalism in it's purest form. It teaches things that are just inherently wrong.
lmao. in its purest form. That's funny. love compassion and understanding ... the worst of the worst things ever. help those that need help ... thats is inherently wrong. its anti-human for the love of, err wait ,,, I mean for the the hate of no god anti christ stake.
The problem is men, without the presence of God, use the Bible for their own purposes and biases. The fact they use the Bible does indicate its importance in the world. Because if it was totally useless, no one would care about it.
Yes the world is corrupted by humans...back then just as today. No different.
The only thing that is different is the many advancements in science, medicine, technology and philosophy which have created a paradigm shift away from these barbaric ways in many of the Westernized Countries...even though well still find barbaric behavior today...it has greatly improved since the days of the Christian Crusades and the Dark Ages.
We have seen in Westernized countries a paradigm shift in consciousness...of course we still have some work to do in. Believing in a fundamental religion is not going to help us in the shift of consciousness. Look at all the religions that have been around since the beginning of time and you still see a barbaric world today. You can thank science and technology for this paradigm shift towards a more moral human population...it has busted many of the myths found in the that ancient holy book.
Advancements in science, medicine and technology has forced us to be fluid in our beliefs and look for better ways to understand our Universe and the world we live in. The bible on the other hand forces us to hold a stagnant viewpoint from 2000 years ago.
Clearly following a man created Religion and just believing in a man created God is not the answer.
Humans are born inherently good. The core of our being is good. There are better ways to help humans walk their natural path than believing in some ancient man created religion that clearly has not worked and has caused more harm on all living creatures than good. Better than teaching them that there is only one way for spiritual development. Better than brainwashing them into believing they were born evil. Better than trying to dilute science to make it fit their nonsensical theological views.
Distorting the truth is evil and this is what the bible does.
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Christianity has caused no harm... maybe out of self defense here and there, but by design our focus is on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit with a view beyond this earth.
This is not true. The Christian Crusades's were all about spreading Christianity.
It was about forcing you to believe in their barbaric man created religion or you were subjected to Christian persecutions.
I can provide you 1000's of examples where harm was done in the name of Christianity. These examples are not about protecting themselves...they are all about forcing their Christian views on others. If you did not obey then you were instantly killed or tortured to death.
lmao. in its purest form. That's funny. love compassion and understanding ... the worst of the worst things ever. help those that need help ... thats is inherently wrong. its anti-human for the love of, err wait ,,, I mean for the the hate of no god anti christ stake.
one step closer to the edge.
That is not the fundamentalism that I am referring to.
Teaching that there is only one person who knows the truth, and only one person who can show you the "way" and teaching that you must believe in God to be taken into heaven, teaching that we are born evil, teaching that you can do evil deeds and all you have to do is believe and you are forgiven, is the fundamentalism I am referring to.
Forcing others to believe in something or be cast out is fundamentalism at its core. This is exactly what Christianity teaches.
There are better ways to help humans walk their natural path than believing in some ancient man created religion that clearly has not worked and has caused more harm on all living creatures than good.
Take a stroll down this list and then get back to me... Christianity has taught the tenets of feeding the poor, loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, love, mercy, and compassion for over 2000 years. I shudder to think of where our world would be without the impact of Christianity.
Take a stroll down this list and then get back to me... Christianity has taught the tenets of feeding the poor, loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, love, mercy, and compassion for over 2000 years. I shudder to think of where our world would be without the impact of Christianity.
It would be a much better place indeed...fundamentalism would have never been invented and human consciousness would have evolved at a much faster pace. All those who were truly gifted and intelligent tried to help advance the limited understandings back in those days, but instead were killed or imprisoned and for life. Many enlightened intelligent people were killed by the Christians in power. They made it very clear to all that anyone who has ideas that contradict what's written in the bible would be killed.
You need to take a good look back in history up until today. Take note of all the harm Christianity has caused in the name of Christianity.
It's makes no sense that they teach all that you posted but yet their teachings have created so much harm against others right? I agree...it makes no sense.
You need a good history lesson about Christianity.
God does not force anyone to believe. He does however, clearly state the consequences of rejecting Him.
Funny...God "I'm not forcing you, but if you don't believe you'll burn in hell through all eternity." Wouldn't we call it forcing someone if you held a gun to their head? Burning in hell through all eternity seems to be even more of a forcing situation.
Whats apparent is that you fail to understand how they got around it. They saw them as sub-human animals. After all the Bible was predominately written and compiled by anthropocentric barbaric men of the past who saw their relationship to the universe and their world in a self-centered patriarchal manner.
It's apparent that you are not even familiar with the origins of that bible or who it was written by.
You can't get around God. What they did was wrong. It is apparently you don't read posts before replying to them, because I have told you several times already.
We have not discussed the origins of the Bible, so how could you possibly know if I am familiar with it or not?
It seems you like to argue for the sake of arguing.
Yes the world is corrupted by humans...back then just as today. No different.
The only thing that is different is the many advancements in science, medicine, technology and philosophy which have created a paradigm shift away from these barbaric ways in many of the Westernized Countries...even though well still find barbaric behavior today...it has greatly improved since the days of the Christian Crusades and the Dark Ages.
We have seen in Westernized countries a paradigm shift in consciousness...of course we still have some work to do in. Believing in a fundamental religion is not going to help us in the shift of consciousness. Look at all the religions that have been around since the beginning of time and you still see a barbaric world today. You can thank science and technology for this paradigm shift towards a more moral human population...it has busted many of the myths found in the that ancient holy book.
Advancements in science, medicine and technology has forced us to be fluid in our beliefs and look for better ways to understand our Universe and the world we live in. The bible on the other hand forces us to hold a stagnant viewpoint from 2000 years ago.
Clearly following a man created Religion and just believing in a man created God is not the answer.
Humans are born inherently good. The core of our being is good. There are better ways to help humans walk their natural path than believing in some ancient man created religion that clearly has not worked and has caused more harm on all living creatures than good. Better than teaching them that there is only one way for spiritual development. Better than brainwashing them into believing they were born evil. Better than trying to dilute science to make it fit their nonsensical theological views.
Distorting the truth is evil and this is what the bible does.
I agree that a man created religion is trouble. But that's not true Christianity.
Technology is great, but people are people. And people have the same problems.
Humans are not inherently good. The less a baby/child gets constructive interaction from its parents, the worse it off it is when it grows to adulthood. It's not brainwashing. Go to an area where there is not a lot of parental involvement (southeast DC in particular for me). I've lived there. It's not pretty.
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This is not true. The Christian Crusades's were all about spreading Christianity.
It was about forcing you to believe in their barbaric man created religion or you were subjected to Christian persecutions.
I can provide you 1000's of examples where harm was done in the name of Christianity. These examples are not about protecting themselves...they are all about forcing their Christian views on others. If you did not obey then you were instantly killed or tortured to death.
Crusades... yeah that's a bit dated... and it started out against Islam regarding Jerusalem. Some more recent examples will be helpful. Just know that whatever you bring to the surface will not be supported if it involves the spread of Christianity by force. That's not how Christianity advances.
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