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Yes, I've been repeatedly told that the Holy Spirit = Agape Love. Of course, I haven't yet been given a single shred of evidence to actually support that claim, but yes, I have been repeatedly told. I've also been repeatedly told that the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God(tm). I haven't yet been given a single shred of evidence to support that claim either, but whatever.
Notice you use two COMPETING beliefs . . . not from the same set of beliefs.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
There can be no resolution as long as you insist on demanding that ALL of the conflicting (and frequently nonsensical) views ALL be true. That is not a sincere search for truth. It is a self-defeating game. Why play it? Clearly you believe there is NO truth to be found. Fine. But this silly game has no purpose since it can never produce anything but nonsense. Pick one or the other and find errors WITHIN them . . . not between them and OTHER views. You just might be surprised to find one that is entirely consistent and non-contradictory. But then, that is not your goal, is it Freak?
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Originally Posted by Freak80
Does anyone know what MysticPhd is trying to say here?
Does that make it any clearer, Freak. You are assessing individual beliefs in their entirety . . . you are assessing competing and contradictory beliefs. Each belief system must be evaluated separately . . . NOT against others as if they must ALL be true or none of them can be.
Notice you use two COMPETING beliefs . . . not from the same set of beliefs.
I'm not "using beliefs," rather I'm being presented with two different truth claims (yours and Vizio's). They can't both be correct, since they contradict each other. They can both be incorrect, but they can't both be correct. Since neither truth claim has any evidence to back it up, I will assert that neither claim is true.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Does that make it any clearer, Freak. You are assessing individual beliefs in their entirety . . . you are assessing competing and contradictory beliefs.
Yes. I am indeed assessing competing and contradictory beliefs. I have to do this all the time. Example: one guy believes that Aspartame will kill me, so I should stop drinking it. Another guy tells me that Aspartame is fine. It's up to me to determine (if possible) which person's claim is correct, based on any available evidence.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Each belief system must be evaluated separately . . . NOT against others as if they must ALL be true or none of them can be.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I have evaluated your claims (and Vizio's claims) independently and found them both to be invalid. I have never asserted that either all religious claims are true or none of them are true. I simply assert that no claim (religious or otherwise) is true unless there is evidence to back up the claim.
Yes. I am indeed assessing competing and contradictory beliefs. I have to do this all the time. Example: one guy believes that Aspartame will kill me, so I should stop drinking it. Another guy tells me that Aspartame is fine. It's up to me to determine (if possible) which person's claim is correct, based on any available evidence.
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Are you still wondering or have determined whether it will kill you or not ?.
There can be no resolution as long as you insist on demanding that ALL of the conflicting (and frequently nonsensical) views ALL be true. That is not a sincere search for truth. It is a self-defeating game. Why play it? Clearly you believe there is NO truth to be found. Fine. But this silly game has no purpose since it can never produce anything but nonsense. Pick one or the other and find errors WITHIN them . . . not between them and OTHER views. You just might be surprised to find one that is entirely consistent and non-contradictory. But then, that is not your goal, is it Freak?
Read the bold. I acknowledge that belief in God lacks what YOU consider evidence. But why play your silly game of comparing contradictory beliefs about God against each other . . . since you do not accept ANY belief in God. Belief in God has to be part of an entire belief SYSTEM using whatever is available to comprise a consistent and believable basis. You reject them all out of hand. So why play the game at all. You do not seek to find a consistent and believable basis for belief in God. You are NOT evaluating those beliefs in their entire context. You are just taking potshots at contradictory beliefs . . . rather a pointless game.
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Originally Posted by Freak80
I'm not "using beliefs," rather I'm being presented with two different truth claims (yours and Vizio's). They can't both be correct, since they contradict each other. They can both be incorrect, but they can't both be correct. Since neither truth claim has any evidence to back it up, I will assert that neither claim is true.
Yes. I am indeed assessing competing and contradictory beliefs. I have to do this all the time. Example: one guy believes that Aspartame will kill me, so I should stop drinking it. Another guy tells me that Aspartame is fine. It's up to me to determine (if possible) which person's claim is correct, based on any available evidence.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I have evaluated your claims (and Vizio's claims) independently and found them both to be invalid. I have never asserted that either all religious claims are true or none of them are true. I simply assert that no claim (religious or otherwise) is true unless there is evidence to back up the claim.
You have been told that what you seek does not exist in a form that you would find acceptable. Fine. It is the silly game you play that makes no sense. Others have beliefs about God for various reasons and their beliefs make sense to them (or not) based on criteria that are acceptable to them. You do not accept ANY of them because you do not assess ANY of them in their entirety as a SYSTEM of beliefs. Belief in God will remain BELIEF until there is irrefutable evidence one way or the other. Some of us have that irrefutable evidence, but it is not acceptable to you. C'est la vie.
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Originally Posted by DewDropInn
You don't understand Mystic's belief system. You don't understand his teachings. You just admitted (again) you can't even understand his posts.
Tell us.... how can you evaluate something you do not understand?
He can't, Dew. But he doesn't even try. His is a blanket dismissal of belief in God, period. He is just playing some game for reasons known only to him.
He is just playing some game for reasons known only to him.
I think he uses this board in lieu of having a heart to heart talk with his parents about his fundamentalist upbringing. Poking at believers on the internet is easy. Sitting down and hashing things out with the people you think harmed you is hard.
Which you should do, Freak. You can't get over your anger until you do. Or..... forgive them..... and move on....
Read the bold. I acknowledge that belief in God lacks what YOU consider evidence. But why play your silly game of comparing contradictory beliefs about God against each other . . . since you do not accept ANY belief in God. Belief in God has to be part of an entire belief SYSTEM using whatever is available to comprise a consistent and believable basis. You reject them all out of hand. So why play the game at all. You do not seek to find a consistent and believable basis for belief in God. You are NOT evaluating those beliefs in their entire context. You are just taking potshots at contradictory beliefs . . . rather a pointless game.
You have been told that what you seek does not exist in a form that you would find acceptable. Fine. It is the silly game you play that makes no sense. Others have beliefs about God for various reasons and their beliefs make sense to them (or not) based on criteria that are acceptable to them. You do not accept ANY of them because you do not assess ANY of them in their entirety as a SYSTEM of beliefs. Belief in God will remain BELIEF until there is irrefutable evidence one way or the other. Some of us have that irrefutable evidence, but it is not acceptable to you. C'est la vie.
He can't, Dew. But he doesn't even try. His is a blanket dismissal of belief in God, period. He is just playing some game for reasons known only to him.
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Originally Posted by DewDropInn
I think he uses this board in lieu of having a heart to heart talk with his parents about his fundamentalist upbringing. Poking at believers on the internet is easy. Sitting down and hashing things out with the people you think harmed you is hard.
Which you should do, Freak. You can't get over your anger until you do. Or..... forgive them..... and move on....
As usual, you are very insightful, Dew. I was not looking at his personal motivations, just his intellectual ones.
I think he uses this board in lieu of having a heart to heart talk with his parents about his fundamentalist upbringing. Poking at believers on the internet is easy. Sitting down and hashing things out with the people you think harmed you is hard.
Which you should do, Freak. You can't get over your anger until you do. Or..... forgive them..... and move on....
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