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The fact that, throughout history, there have been SO many different "gods" and religions should make it obvious to any intelligent, OBJECTIVE thinker that humans have always had an affinity for the supernatural and that any and all "gods" are very likely products of our great imaginations.
But even intelligent people often have a hard time admitting the obvious when their PREFERENCE is to believe something else.
The fact that, throughout history, there have been SO many different "gods" and religions should make it obvious to any intelligent, OBJECTIVE thinker that humans have always had an affinity for the supernatural and that any and all "gods" are very likely products of our great imaginations.
But even intelligent people often have a hard time admitting the obvious when their PREFERENCE is to believe something else.
Agree.
I envy you Pacific Northwest folks, by the way. I had to grow up in a conservative Christian home in rural Western PA, which is rife with conservative Christianity.
If Hinduism is the first religion, why isn't it more right than Christianity or any other religion. I'm just trying to understand all the different beliefs out there and come to some consensus of why one religion is more right than the other.
I would reject that Hinduism was the first religion. It's the oldest, widely practiced, religion. Probably not the first.
The first probably resembled a form of animism. The idea that everything had a soul. Eventually, things would develop through various stories and observations (like Zeus was the cause of lightning and such; not observations in the scientific sense).
I'd assert that the neutral perspective, once all perspectives have been considered, would be likely to say that all religions are almost entirely made up and none of them are 'true.' That's not to say they are without value. We can learn a lot from Jesus without believing that he walked on water or rose from the dead. We can learn from Buddha without believing we will be reincarnated or he reached the stage of nirvana.
But the neutral perspective likely will see that all religions are formed not from some great truth, but purely by cultural development.
Other than the lack of evidence for it, the violation of the law of physics, and the NEED for dying for "sins, nothing.
Obviously there was evidence when Christ walked the earth and they wrote historical documents concerning what He said and did.
Who made the law which states if something defies the law of the physics we know today that what Christ did was impossible? Obviously our physics have not caught up with God's yet.
Obviously there was evidence when Christ walked the earth and they wrote historical documents concerning what He said and did.
Who made the law which states if something defies the law of the physics we know today that what Christ did was impossible? Obviously our physics have not caught up with God's yet.
The fact that, throughout history, there have been SO many different "gods" and religions should make it obvious to any intelligent, OBJECTIVE thinker that humans have always had an affinity for the supernatural and that any and all "gods" are very likely products of our great imaginations.
But even intelligent people often have a hard time admitting the obvious when their PREFERENCE is to believe something else.
Noah's great-grandson Nimrod - Genesis chapter 10 - set himself up as a ' god '. So, even right after the Flood of Noah's day myth-religious concepts and ideas flourished. As the people migrated from ancient Babylon they took with them their false religious ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
That is why we see similar or overlapping religious ideas or beliefs throughout the world today.
God is Not a product of imagination, but the world's false-religious teachings are the product of great imaginations.
Jesus exposed the false religious leaders of his day in Matthew chapter 23 and Matthew 15:9
So, such false teachings do Not make the teachings of Jesus as wrong, but just makes the false teachings as wrong.
I would reject that Hinduism was the first religion. It's the oldest, widely practiced, religion. Probably not the first.
The first probably resembled a form of animism. The idea that everything had a soul. Eventually, things would develop through various stories and observations (like Zeus was the cause of lightning and such; not observations in the scientific sense).
I'd assert that the neutral perspective, once all perspectives have been considered, would be likely to say that all religions are almost entirely made up and none of them are 'true.' That's not to say they are without value. We can learn a lot from Jesus without believing that he walked on water or rose from the dead. We can learn from Buddha without believing we will be reincarnated or he reached the stage of nirvana.
But the neutral perspective likely will see that all religions are formed not from some great truth, but purely by cultural development.
The first was the religion of ancient Babylon - see Genesis chapter 10 - started by Nimrod.
If we trace mankind religious family tree we find its roots or base in ancient Babylon.
I think even astrology gives its credit to ancient Babylon.
That is why we see so many similar or overlapping religious concepts or idea spread throughout the earth today.
( a similar example like: non-biblical prayer beads and the rosary )
As the people left ancient Babylon they took with them their religious-myth practices and ideas and spread them worldwide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
Obviously there was evidence when Christ walked the earth and they wrote historical documents concerning what He said and did.
"Obviously" if Christ did not walk the earth and demonstrably unreliable unhistorical documents were written about what he said and did, there was and is no evidence. And that is the main reason why Christianity and indeed any Abrahamic religion, is no more "right" than any other.
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Who made the law which states if something defies the law of the physics we know today that what Christ did was impossible? Obviously our physics have not caught up with God's yet.
I agree with the point you make here. If Jesus was able to do miracles, then the fact that he did them is not in itself reason to say they didn't happen. It is (so I argue) the demonstrable unreliability of the miracle claims that undermines them as evidence, not the inherent improbability of miracles. Since miracles really don't happen for sure and the many claims so often turn out to be unreliable, not to say false, when we can check, there is a "law" or rule of doubt about claims that run counter to everything we know about how reality works.
Obviously there was evidence when Christ walked the earth and they wrote historical documents concerning what He said and did.
Actually they didn't.............. no one wrote down what Jesus said or did at the time he is supposed to have said or did them.
Even the earliest gospels were believed to be written several decades after Jesus's death, written by different anonymous authors.
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Who made the law which states if something defies the law of the physics we know today that what Christ did was impossible? Obviously our physics have not caught up with God's yet.
Once again, there is no reliable evidence that Jesus performed any "miracles" whatsoever.
Think about the "Virgin" birth for example........... how on Earth is anybody supposed to know that Mary was a virgin?
Did Mary go around telling people that she didn't have sex before conceiving Jesus?
The first true faith was in the Garden of Eden in Genesis 2-3. God walked with sinless people (Adam and Eve), and they talked with Him and worshiped Him in purity. After sin occurred, God established a faith of sacrifice that was a shadow of the coming of Jesus Christ and His vicarious death on the cross and miraculous physical resurrection. This is seen in Genesis 4, where Abel is giving a spotless lamb. Abraham walked by faith and gave sacrifice to God (Genesis 12+) and taught Isaac and Jacob to do the same. Exodus 12 records the addition of Passover (again, a spotless lamb would be sacrificed, this time to cover the faithful from Death). The Hebrew people had grown to be the nation of Israel, and the LORD God gave to them the 10 Commandments, laws of purity, etc. of the Torah (first five books of the Bible). All of these were shadows: pictures and promises of the coming of the Messiah. As Jesus told His friends on the road to Emmaus, " Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." (Luke 24:26-27)
All other religions related back to the tower of Babel (Babylon, Genesis 11); for there is the seat of all other religions.
Responding as this needs to be read again by anyone visiting this thread. The most succinct answer to the original question. Excellently written. Truth in the proverbial nutshell.
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